Editing Talk:Boom Boom (species)

:Except Birdos and Yoshis look completely different (and originated separately), whereas Boom Boom and Pom Pom are physically the same barring the hair and slightly different shell features (although how Boom Boom shells are depicted changes all the time). The lower half of the shell covers the entire body with the limbs coming out of holes, like regular Koopas, and quite unlike Bowser and the Koopalings, who have regular scaled flesh separating the belly scutes from the carapace. It'd be far more speculative to lump them all into one species (and any ambiguous talk of "breeds" should be avoided like the plague), whereas calling Pom Pom a Boom Boom ''isn't'' unreasonable: if we needed Nintendo to spit out every last detail before we can do anything, the comprehensibility of the wiki would suffer greatly. And as discussed on Pom Pom's article (with all the references necessary to back up the wiki's assertions), while some sources ''do'' say there's multiple Pom Poms, others say there's only one Pom Pom character, with the original Japanese ''explicitly'' saying she's the "Koopa Army's lone female" 「クッパ軍の紅一点。」, so blame Nintendo for the Smurfette Principle (continuing the tradition they started back in 1988 with Wendy). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 13:09, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

::My point about Birdos and Yoshis has more to do with how they seem to all have seem to have set genders (I suppose) across their species, but if that doesn't work then here's another example (albeit a different Nintendo series): Tauros and Miltank. Considered different species, but all have the opposite gender and are similar enough to be considered "counterparts" (it's completely irrelevant they were introduced at different times, but this is virtually universally accepted). Or actually, going back to Mario: Boss Bass and Big Bertha are considered male and female-exclusive sub-species of Cheep Cheep, respectively. But that's neither here nor there - the Japanese flavor text for both characters normally doesn't differentiate from singular and plural from my understanding, so you've still got varying official translations out there that refer to either of them in the singular or plural form. Some "ambiguous talk" is unavoidable because of certain vague qualities in the language. In any case, I maintain that Boom Boom(s) and Pom Pom(s) is/are categorically different based on the fact they are always classified as separate entities, regardless if you go by the original or a localization...especially considering the Boom Boom articles are primarily split due to conflicting, inconsistent translation in the first place. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:32, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

==New Super Mario Bros. U==

The Prima guide says they are one character. There is nothing stating they aren't all one character. The appearance on top of a castle isn't intended to be taken literally, it's just a marker for where Boom Boom will be fought if it were intended to be taken literally, then A: he's really huge up there, and B: he has some remarkable powers of incorporealness, being able to phase through that doorless roof when the player enters. As for Screwtop, Boss Sumo Bro isn't shown normally to keep the unusual boss a surprise. Given that one official source says they're all the same character and ''no'' official source says they're different, that means they're the same character, and should be treated here as such. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:45, 11 January 2018 (EST)

:This is part of a broader issue for us. After what Nintendo finally decided to tell us two years ago about the [[List of Toad profiles and statistics# Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|existence of character names]] [[List of Yoshi profiles and statistics# Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|which aren't actually personal names]] and after looking at the Japanese bios of various characters having this "issue", I came to the conclusion that the most appropriate answer to the question "Is the Boom Boom appearing in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' the same Boom Boom appearing in ''New Super Mario Bros. U''?" is neither "yes" or "no", but rather "That's irrelevant for Nintendo Co., Ltd.". They are always characters having the standard appearance of the species and the name of the species. I'm still wondering if we should make a proposal to more explicitly follow the depictions of Nintendo of America, [https://play.nintendo.com/themes/friends/toad/ who are more prone to stating the existence of "''The'' characters"], just like in this case. Regarding the second point, the Koopalings too were huge compared to the towers and castles and passed through the roof in ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' so this is not something unique to Boom Booms. I mean, ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' had a similar system but clearly showed that there was just one Koopaling in each world who then jumped to the castle after being defeated at the tower, whereas here we clearly see different Boom Booms standing on top of the various towers at the same time. So, in terms of what the game shows us, we should conclude that the Boom Boom boss isn't the same. '''At the moment you can add what the PRIMA guide states in the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' section''', but I really wonder if someday we'll have to tackle the two big issues of regional depictions and the characters who have the standard appearance and name of the species. If anything, despite what the PRIMA guide consistently told us, we are not stating that Bowser Jr. is one of the eight Koopalings, i.e. Bowser's children, in ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'', are we?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:22, 12 January 2018 (EST)

I gotta ask why that was changed to "variant" it was fine before [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] ([[User talk:MarioLover54|talk]]) 20:22, August 17, 2019 (EDT)