Editing Talk:Bob-omb Battlefield

==Footrace with Koopa the Quick==
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Shouldn't this be merged with [[Bob-omb Battlefield]], like the rest of the missions? {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
:Agreed. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
Yes missions should be in the level articles. Obviously, as we don't even have categories for mission articles. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 18:35, 5 January 2010 (EST)
:Ok then, I shall merge. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}

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==Wario's Battle Canyon?==
Could this place likely be part of [[Wario's Battle Canyon]]?  It's also possible this bob-omb hideaway and the canyon may be under the same control by Big-Bob-omb. If so is this worth mentioning? -- {{user:WarioLoaf/sig}} 22:08, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
:Not worth mentioning as it is speculation, I think we have a rule against all speculation... {{User:Uniju :D/sig}}
*Hmmm ......... i added a trivia section indicating this. -- {{user:WarioLoaf/sig}} 22:11, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Some speculation is okay, but this would be too speculative.  You can say this level is similar to the Battle Canyon, as a war between Bob-ombs occurs in both.  But we shouldn't say they are the same place. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== French Name? ==

Do we have any reason for giving the French name of the course? I'd say either remove it or add the name in German as well, that's the three languages SM64 was released in. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:26, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:I'd say keep the French Name and add the German one, I think it's , ahem, ''encyclopedic'' to know how the various Marioverse characters/place/item/whatever. are called, especially when the name isn't a literal translation of the English/Japanese one. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 15:37, 10 February 2008 (EST)
::As far as I'm concerned, "Bob-omb Battlefield" isn't a character. ;) - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:::Bah, you know what I mean. Don't see why we should remove interresing info just because it's not in English.{{user:Blitzwing/sig}}
::::If the names in other languages are direct translations of the name, what's the point in adding them? We're here to have all the info on the Mario Series, not to teach people foreign languages. I really don't see any need for the name's there, but w/e, it looks like more than one person DOES see a reason, so... {{User:Uniju :D/sig}}
:::::Yeah, there is not many good reasons to add the various international names, but there isn't any reasons to '''not''' add them, either. For some reasons, I think it's awesome to know that [[Cool, Cool Mountain]] is know as "Bibberberg Bob" in German. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 16:49, 10 February 2008 (EST)
::::::I think we should add the Spanish and the Italian names of the courses, because SM64DS was released in English, French, German, Spanish and Italian in Europe. I'm saying that because I can add the Spanish names, if you want. {{User:Paper Yoshi/sig}} 07:48, 15 January 2009 (EST)
:::::::Of course, you can add them. :-) --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 08:02, 15 January 2009 (EST)

== Article should be rewritten ==

This article should be rewritten like the rest of the other articles for the other courses in Super Mario 64 and its remake. [[Shifting Sand Land|Here]] is an example of how the article should look like. [[User:TheUnknown67|-TheUnknown67]] ([[User talk:TheUnknown67|talk]]) 19:29, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
:Actually, it [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Bob-omb_Battlefield&diff=prev&oldid=1907588 used] to be like Shifting Sand Land, but level information was [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Bob-omb_Battlefield&diff=1910476&oldid=1907588 relocated] into standalone articles just as how we have [[World 1 (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|World]] articles that have links to standalone articles of its levels. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:06, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
::Is it OK if the information is restored? [[User:TheUnknown67|-TheUnknown67]] ([[User talk:TheUnknown67|talk]]) 19:00, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
:::Considering that most of the information were moved to that articles, we would be getting repeats, and I don't think that's a good idea. You'll also have to enact changes to the Galaxy pages (look at [[Good Egg Galaxy]] and [[Honeyhive Galaxy]]). You'll have to negotiate with those involved in those changes, which do include {{User|Time Turner}} and {{User|RandomYoshi}} (and me) as far as I know. I don't agree with restoring the information since it will run into a consistency problem with other articles that do have level details reserved for separate articles such as [[World 1 (New Super Mario Bros.)]]. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:16, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
::::I oppose the split; ''64/Sunshine/Galaxy'' missions are not like levels in a world, which exist as separate entities with their own individual layouts. ''64/S/G'' missions are just different objectives to complete in one level, with the exception of stuff like the "secret" sub-levels in ''Sunshine''. Splitting them off is like giving each [[Golden Banana]] in ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' its own article.{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:59, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::Unlike the Golden Bananas, though, these missions, despite the similar layouts, are still individual ''named'' levels. Golden Bananas and Power Stars do share some elements in common, which include being major required collectibles, but Power Stars often end the level (though bonus ones exist including the 100-coin reward and that one Toad gives out) while Golden Bananas are rewards and scattered throughout a level. The important thing is that we're not giving Power Stars their articles, we are giving ''missions'' the articles and note the path Mario takes to obtain it and the differences in the mission. ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario Sunshine'' are ''not'' open-world games. Most, if not all missions, thanks to the level design, usually have Mario follow a relatively linear path so there is no reason those missions should not be full articles. Anyway, I just found out that we do have a [[MarioWiki:New articles#Level_articles|policy on this]] and a [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=35664.0 collab dedicated to splitting these articles] and remerging them would run against them. You'll have to discuss that in the forum link I provided or via a proposal, though I wouldn't count on it: the owner, {{User|Porplemontage}}, has made the policy in the first place and he has all authority to decide to remerge them or not. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:28, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::Point taken. I do understand the reasoning, particularly for ''Galaxy'' missions since those frequently only allow you to explore certain parts of the level during one or two missions, making them more like levels in a world. One thing I ''don't'' understand however, and pardon me if I am straying somewhat from what's relevant to this particular article, is why we need separate articles for missions in one-star galaxies, like [[Loopdeeloop Galaxy]] and [[Sweet Sweet Galaxy]]. It's redundant and unnecessary; the missions are synonymous with the levels themselves. Isn't this why we don't have separate articles for most ''[[Donkey Kong Country (series)|Donkey Kong Country]]'' boss stages, like [[Very Gnawty]]'s Lair? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:25, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/41#Create_separate_articles_for_DKC_series_and_DKL_series_boss_levels|Actually, about those Donkey Kong stages]]... {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 21:05, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Probably for consistency and it might be a good idea to describe the level in galaxy article and then have the mission article go into detail on tasks Mario does. Otherwise, they're there only for the sake of completeness. Not very strong, mind you, but it's not a horrible set up: fortunately, worlds with one missions aren't that common. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:08, 25 June 2016 (EDT)

== "The" Bob-omb Battlefield? ==
I only just now noticed this as I'm splitting [[Meta Crystal]] from the [[List of stages debuting in Super Smash Bros.|''Super Smash Bros.'' stage list]], but apparently we consistently refer to this level as "the Bob-omb Battlefield" instead of simply "Bob-Omb Battlefield", and likewise for "the [[Hazy Maze Cave]]", "the [[Tower of the Wing Cap]]" and "the [[Cavern of the Metal Cap]]". While the latter two sort of make sense, why exactly do we refer to BOB and HMC with "the" and not any other stages? "The" here just seems inconsistent compared to how we usually handle properly named stages. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 14:25, September 7, 2024 (EDT)
:The ''Super Mario 64'' Player's Guide refers to those courses as "the Bob-omb Battlefield" and "the Hazy Maze Cave." [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 15:22, September 7, 2024 (EDT)
:: Yeah, but we should be going with in-game stuff, not the player's guide. It's why I changed all mentions of Bowser's Submarine to Bowser's Sub after all. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:40, September 8, 2024 (EDT)
::: Deleted all of the "the"'s from both this page and Hazy Maze Cave. After all, we don't refer to Royal Raceway as the Royal Raceway despite the Mario Kart 64 official strategy guide calling the track that. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:10, September 13, 2024 (EDT)
::::Shouldn't that need some in-game example sentences? Pretty sure the name of the battlefield doesn't come up in dialog. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:56, October 10, 2024 (EDT)
:::::Do any of the many plaques in the painting's room allude to it? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:01, October 10, 2024 (EDT)
::::::Not according to my SM64 reference dumps, but I did find this in SM64DS text:<blockquote>You there, sir.<br>Watch out! It's dangerous<br>for you to be wandering<br>around here. You're in<br>the Bob-omb Battlefield!!<br>Hmm...<br>You sure don't look<br>dependable.<br>You'd better<br>go home. Your knees are<br>shaking!</blockquote>I presume this is a line that a Bob-omb Buddy would say to Luigi, but either way, that ought to settle it, no? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:00, October 10, 2024 (EDT)

:After seeing the thing on the talk page for [[Mayor Penguin's wife]], I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't be using the text dump for this. If the game never says "the" Bob-Omb Battlefield in-game, then we shouldn't be using "the" as well. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 07:16, December 21, 2024 (EST)
::...a text dump is a collection of all the text in the game. Obviously. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:26, December 21, 2024 (EST)
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 ::::::Not according to my SM64 reference dumps, but I did find this in SM64DS text:<blockquote>You there, sir.<br>Watch out! It's dangerous<br>for you to be wandering<br>around here. You're in<br>the Bob-omb Battlefield!!<br>Hmm...<br>You sure don't look<br>dependable.<br>You'd better<br>go home. Your knees are<br>shaking!</blockquote>I presume this is a line that a Bob-omb Buddy would say to Luigi, but either way, that ought to settle it, no? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:00, October 10, 2024 (EDT)
-:After seeing the thing on the talk page for [[Mayor's wife|Mayor Penguin's wife]], I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't be using the text dump for this. If the game never says "the" Bob-Omb Battlefield in-game, then we shouldn't be using "the" as well. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 07:16, December 21, 2024 (EST)
+:After seeing the thing on the talk page for [[Mayor Penguin's wife]], I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't be using the text dump for this. If the game never says "the" Bob-Omb Battlefield in-game, then we shouldn't be using "the" as well. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 07:16, December 21, 2024 (EST)
 ::...a text dump is a collection of all the text in the game. Obviously. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:26, December 21, 2024 (EST)
-==[[LEGO Super Mario|LEGO ''Super Mario'']]==
-The Bob-omb Battlefield painting has appeared in at least two Lego Super Mario sets. I feel like there should be a reference, at least in the gallery, to this. [[User:Thejohnston7|Thejohnston7]] ([[User talk:Thejohnston7|talk]]) 22:31, February 4, 2025 (EST)