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:::Considering that most of the information were moved to that articles, we would be getting repeats, and I don't think that's a good idea. You'll also have to enact changes to the Galaxy pages (look at [[Good Egg Galaxy]] and [[Honeyhive Galaxy]]). You'll have to negotiate with those involved in those changes, which do include {{User|Time Turner}} and {{User|RandomYoshi}} (and me) as far as I know. I don't agree with restoring the information since it will run into a consistency problem with other articles that do have level details reserved for separate articles such as [[World 1 (New Super Mario Bros.)]]. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:16, 23 June 2016 (EDT) | :::Considering that most of the information were moved to that articles, we would be getting repeats, and I don't think that's a good idea. You'll also have to enact changes to the Galaxy pages (look at [[Good Egg Galaxy]] and [[Honeyhive Galaxy]]). You'll have to negotiate with those involved in those changes, which do include {{User|Time Turner}} and {{User|RandomYoshi}} (and me) as far as I know. I don't agree with restoring the information since it will run into a consistency problem with other articles that do have level details reserved for separate articles such as [[World 1 (New Super Mario Bros.)]]. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:16, 23 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
::::I oppose the split; ''64/Sunshine/Galaxy'' missions are not like levels in a world, which exist as separate entities with their own individual layouts. ''64/S/G'' missions are just different objectives to complete in one level, with the exception of stuff like the "secret" sub-levels in ''Sunshine''. Splitting them off is like giving each [[Golden Banana]] in ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' its own article.{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:59, 23 June 2016 (EDT) | ::::I oppose the split; ''64/Sunshine/Galaxy'' missions are not like levels in a world, which exist as separate entities with their own individual layouts. ''64/S/G'' missions are just different objectives to complete in one level, with the exception of stuff like the "secret" sub-levels in ''Sunshine''. Splitting them off is like giving each [[Golden Banana]] in ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' its own article.{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:59, 23 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::::Unlike the Golden Bananas, though, these missions, despite the similar layouts, are still individual ''named'' levels. Golden Bananas and Power Stars do share some elements in common, which include being major required collectibles, but Power Stars often end the level (though bonus ones exist including the 100-coin reward and that one Toad gives out) while Golden Bananas are rewards and scattered throughout a level. The important thing is that we're not giving Power Stars their articles, we are giving ''missions'' the articles and note the path Mario takes to obtain it and the differences in the mission. ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario Sunshine'' are ''not'' open-world games. Most, if not all missions, thanks to the level design, usually have Mario follow a relatively linear path so there is no reason those missions should not be full articles. Anyway, I just found out that we do have a [[MarioWiki:New | :::::Unlike the Golden Bananas, though, these missions, despite the similar layouts, are still individual ''named'' levels. Golden Bananas and Power Stars do share some elements in common, which include being major required collectibles, but Power Stars often end the level (though bonus ones exist including the 100-coin reward and that one Toad gives out) while Golden Bananas are rewards and scattered throughout a level. The important thing is that we're not giving Power Stars their articles, we are giving ''missions'' the articles and note the path Mario takes to obtain it and the differences in the mission. ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario Sunshine'' are ''not'' open-world games. Most, if not all missions, thanks to the level design, usually have Mario follow a relatively linear path so there is no reason those missions should not be full articles. Anyway, I just found out that we do have a [[MarioWiki:New Articles Policy#Level_articles|policy on this]] and a [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=35664.0 collab dedicated to splitting these articles] and remerging them would run against them. You'll have to discuss that in the forum link I provided or via a proposal, though I wouldn't count on it: the owner, {{User|Porplemontage}}, has made the policy in the first place and he has all authority to decide to remerge them or not. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:28, 24 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
::::::Point taken. I do understand the reasoning, particularly for ''Galaxy'' missions since those frequently only allow you to explore certain parts of the level during one or two missions, making them more like levels in a world. One thing I ''don't'' understand however, and pardon me if I am straying somewhat from what's relevant to this particular article, is why we need separate articles for missions in one-star galaxies, like [[Loopdeeloop Galaxy]] and [[Sweet Sweet Galaxy]]. It's redundant and unnecessary; the missions are synonymous with the levels themselves. Isn't this why we don't have separate articles for most ''[[Donkey Kong Country (series)|Donkey Kong Country]]'' boss stages, like [[Very Gnawty]]'s Lair? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:25, 24 June 2016 (EDT) | ::::::Point taken. I do understand the reasoning, particularly for ''Galaxy'' missions since those frequently only allow you to explore certain parts of the level during one or two missions, making them more like levels in a world. One thing I ''don't'' understand however, and pardon me if I am straying somewhat from what's relevant to this particular article, is why we need separate articles for missions in one-star galaxies, like [[Loopdeeloop Galaxy]] and [[Sweet Sweet Galaxy]]. It's redundant and unnecessary; the missions are synonymous with the levels themselves. Isn't this why we don't have separate articles for most ''[[Donkey Kong Country (series)|Donkey Kong Country]]'' boss stages, like [[Very Gnawty]]'s Lair? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:25, 24 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::::::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/ | :::::::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_41#Create_separate_articles_for_DKC_series_and_DKL_series_boss_levels|Actually, about those Donkey Kong stages]]... {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 21:05, 24 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::::::Probably for consistency and it might be a good idea to describe the level in galaxy article and then have the mission article go into detail on tasks Mario does. Otherwise, they're there only for the sake of completeness. Not very strong, mind you, but it's not a horrible set up: fortunately, worlds with one missions aren't that common. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:08, 25 June 2016 (EDT) | :::::::Probably for consistency and it might be a good idea to describe the level in galaxy article and then have the mission article go into detail on tasks Mario does. Otherwise, they're there only for the sake of completeness. Not very strong, mind you, but it's not a horrible set up: fortunately, worlds with one missions aren't that common. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:08, 25 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
