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| Why does the shell now have spikes and wings in games like MK8? -Oct 31 10:29 I know i'm late but I believe that this is a good question and people deserve to know *hint hint game theory{{unsigned|76.23.212.22}} | | Why does the shell now have spikes and wings in games like MK8? -Oct 31 10:29 I know i'm late but I believe that this is a good question and people deserve to know *hint hint game theory{{unsigned|76.23.212.22}} |
| :That's the [[Spiny Shell (blue)|blue Spiny Shell]], which has existed since ''Mario Kart 64''. It's already listed in a hatnote on this article. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 22:32, October 31, 2020 (EDT) | | :That's the [[Spiny Shell (blue)|blue Spiny Shell]], which has existed since ''Mario Kart 64''. It's already listed in a hatnote on this article. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 22:32, October 31, 2020 (EDT) |
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| == Split Blue Shell and Blue Shell (Mario Strikers) ==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|2-10|Do not split}}
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| They are fundamentally entirely different items. They also look very different.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Shyguy85}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': August 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
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| ====Support====
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| #{{User|Shyguy85}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|SeanWheeler}} Why does the [[Spiny Shell (blue)|Mario Kart item]] have a separate page?
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| ====Oppose====
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| #{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Saying they look "very different" only applies to ''Mario Strikers Charged'', where they look icy, so the "difference in appearance" argument doesn't really make sense. Besides, they have different abilities in literally every game they appear in not counting remakes, so this proposal's arguments are not strong enough in my opinion to warrant a split.
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| #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} These are Blue Koopa Shells featured in different contexts.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} I was about to support on the grounds that two games treat it as a power-up and one as a weapon, but then I remembered that the Fire Flower is basically the same thing, just without a slight visual change.
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Mario}} There's likely plenty of other items with shared appearances and different functions (Spiny Shell). Blue Shells only got really an appearance change in Mario Strikers Charged, the sequel of the game that provided Blue Shells that do the same thing, but look more like standard blue shells.
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} The Blue Shell from ''Mario Strikers Charged'' is still a blue shell, is referred to as such by the game, and looks identical aside from the shell texture.
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| #{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per all.
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| #{{User|PaperSplash}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} Though the Blue Shells of NSMB 1 and Strikers 1 function differently, they look the same in both games and are likely the same item. This would be like splitting Ice Flower and Ice Flower (Super Mario Galaxy).
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| #{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
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| ====Comments====
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| Let's look at every appearance of this Blue Shell item and see how different they are:
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| *'''''Super Mario World''''' - Worn by Koopas and used by Mario the exact same way as any other [[Koopa Shell]]; but if any Yoshi puts it into its mouth, it can fly, much like after a Blue Yoshi puts a Green Shell in its mouth.
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| *'''''Super Mario Strikers''/''Mario Strikers Charged''''' - Thrown like any other Shell in the game; can freeze targets.
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| *'''''New Super Mario Bros.''/''Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story''''' - Transforms Mario into [[Shell Mario]] (the ONLY time a Blue Shell doesn't work like any other Koopa Shell in the game); it allows him to [[shell dash]], but he cannot kick the shell away like other Koopa Shells.
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| *'''''Super Mario Galaxy''''' - Visual-only difference; when [[Cosmic Mario]] picks up a Koopa Shell, it turns blue. Otherwise, it's just a regular Koopa Shell (worn by Koopas and can be thrown but also allows for better and more precise underwater movement)
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| *'''''Super Mario 3D World''''' - Visual-only difference; when [[Toad]] enters an empty Koopa Shell, it turns blue, much like how it'll turn red if Mario enters it, pink if Peach enters it, or cyan if Rosalina enters it. Otherwise, it's just a regular Koopa Shell (Worn by Koopas and can be thrown but also allows players to enter it and shell dash)
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| This tells me that a Blue Shell's effect varies between games and is not just a ''Strikers'' quirk. Most of the Blue Shells ''do'' share the commonality of working just like any other color Koopa Shell in their respective games but with an additional effect... but so does the Blue Shell in ''Strikers'' so that doesn't make it distinct enough to warrant a split. In fact, I feel like the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' one actually warrants a split MORE than the ''Strikers'' one purely because you cannot kick it away like any other Koopa Shell in that game, making it actually more different from the other shells of that game than any other Blue Shells of their respective games... but then again, its ability, the shell slide, is precisely what you expect from a Koopa Shell anyway, and that very same ability is given to any player carrying ANY Koopa Shell in ''Super Mario 3D World'' (where Blue Shells only are a thing because they needed to color-code a Blue Shell worn by Toad), making it STILL not distinct enough to warrant a split.<br>As for visuals, almost all of them look nearly identical, looking just like any other Koopa Shell but in a blue hue instead of green or red; it's the exact same blue hue across all of these. ''Strikers Charged'' is the only time they actually don't share that look, being cyan and frosted instead. But it works exactly the same as in ''Super Mario Strikers'', in which they do still look exactly the same as any other Blue Shell, so I don't think this ''one'' appearance change warrants a split. It's like splitting the ''Super Mario World'' Fire Flower because they turned into tulips there for some reason.<br>Ergo, it doesn't really warrant splitting. It's all varied effects that have SOMETHING in common aside from the color, and the one time it actually looks different is also from a sequel of a game in which it has the same effect (meaning it's intended to be the same item) and yet looks EXACTLY THE SAME as the other Blue Shells anyway.<br>So, in conclusion:
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| MSC Blue Shell.png|alt=Blue Shell in Mario Strikers Charged|This...
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| Strikers Blue Shell Artwork.png|alt=Blue Shell in Super Mario Strikers|...is intended to be the same thing as this...
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| NSMB Blueshell.png|alt=Blue Shell in New Super Mario Bros.|...which looks identical and is likely the same thing as THIS...
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| ShellBlue.png|alt4=Blue Shell in Super Mario World|...AS WELL as this.
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| </gallery>{{User:Arend/sig}} 12:00, August 18, 2024 (EDT)
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| :If they are similar enough but with different functions, why not merge the [[Spiny Shell (blue)]] into this article? Everyone calls the Mario Kart item a Blue Shell and it's another blue Koopa shell. Only difference is the spikes and wings. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 19:33, August 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::That ain't a Koopa Troopa's shell, that's a Spiny's shell. It doesn't matter what "everyone" calls it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:36, August 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::It's been pretty much called Spiny Shell consistently as possible despite common lexicon misnaming this item as "blue shell". I am also one of the few people who calls that thing a Spiny Shell. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:41, August 30, 2024 (EDT)
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