Editing Talk:Blaster

==Merge with [[Bill Blaster]]==

This is just the normal Bill Blaster. It has a different name, but enemies like [[Goby]] and [[Boo#Super_Mario_RPG:_Legend_of_the_Seven_Stars|The Big Boo]] are treated as Cheep Cheeps and Boos respectively, because they are the same thing and so is this {{User:VOIDTHIS/sig}} 00:26, 8 July 2018 (CEST)
:No, these seem to have a different Japanese name. And are sapient. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:30, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
::There was a split proposal [[Talk:Bill_Blaster#Split_Blaster_from_Bill_Blaster|here]]. Basically, in-game battles treat the Blaster as a moving enemy; additionally, if you look closely at its attacks, it shoots out multiple types of Bullet Bills, which no other Bill Blaster has done to date. And as mentioned, different Japanese names unlike the aforementioned examples. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:35, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
:::[[File:Perfect Mario Traps.png|thumb]]Just to be clear, if anyone can see if this scan gives Bill Blaster a particular Japanese name, please say so. I suppose someone could ask Mister Wu about ESMB's take on the object... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:37, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
::::Bill Blaster and the Star are both sort of clip art on that page and aren't mentioned at all, but ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' consistently labels it 「キラー砲台」 (''Killer Hōdai'') throughout various object tables. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Seeing as this was answered, I'll remove the talk template. [[User:RollerC|rollerC]] ([[User talk:RollerC|talk]]) 01:27, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
::::I may be late but, yeah they have the same appearance, but act differently and have a different Japanese name. (same goes for Flamer Guys and Pyro Guys, and PM Spear Guys and Yoshi's Island ones) --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:42, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
::Ps:So i'm opposing the merge. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:59, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

== Merge back to Bill Blaster ==

{{TPP}}
In 2015, a proposal was passed that split the "Blaster" enemy in Super Mario RPG from the regular [[Bill Blaster]] article. I will list the reasons given in that proposal and in the section above and explain why I don't agree with them.

"The game treats it as a mobile enemy rather than an immobile one in battle, and no other type of Bill Blaster so far has ever been able to move itself."
*This is only the case in the original game. In the remake, they simply pivot in place to face the target. Them moving in front of the target in the original game was probably because, if they stayed still, the bullets they shoot would appear to travel laterally, which would look strange. 

"The graininess in the sprites also creates the impression of treads on the bottom."
*The graininess is simply the result of it being a sprite in an SNES game. Both its official artwork and remake model show it with a flat base.

"No, these seem to have a different Japanese name."
*Bill Blasters didn't really have a standardized name at the time. In Paper Mario and Superstar Saga, they were known as "Killer Taihō" and "Hōdai", respectively, rather than the current "Killer Hōdai". And sure, these names are closer to the current name, but that's because, like it, they're just straightforward descriptions, whereas Super Mario RPG went with a more creative name.

"And are sapient."
*Because you can read their thoughts? You can also read the thoughts of Smelter, which, according to the Monster List, "is in no way alive". In fact, the Blaster's own description says "These may look like ordinary cannons, but the bullets they shoot have eyes, hands, and mouths that grin almost as if they were alive." If even the Bullet Bills are implied not to be alive, then that might also go for the Blasters.

"it shoots out multiple types of Bullet Bills, which no other Bill Blaster has done to date"
*And Lakitus shoot lightning, Goombas shoot spikes, Shy Guys attack with slingshots and bells, and Snifits shoot ice and fire. This is far from the only enemy to get additional attacks compared to other games. And it's just a golden-colored Bullet Bill anyway.

They look like Bill Blasters, they act like Bill Blasters, even their Monster List description is pretty much describing Bill Blasters, and they appeared before Bill Blasters properly received their current name. Let's merge them, shall we?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Blinker}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 6, 2023, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

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 == Merge back to Bill Blaster ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|10-0|merge}}
+{{TPP}}
 In 2015, a proposal was passed that split the "Blaster" enemy in Super Mario RPG from the regular [[Bill Blaster]] article. I will list the reasons given in that proposal and in the section above and explain why I don't agree with them.
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 "it shoots out multiple types of Bullet Bills, which no other Bill Blaster has done to date"
-*And Lakitus shoot lightning, Goombas shoot spikes, Shy Guys attack with slingshots and bells, and Snifits shoot ice and fire. This is far from the only enemy to get additional attacks compared to other games, and it's just a golden-colored Bullet Bill anyway.
+*And Lakitus shoot lightning, Goombas shoot spikes, Shy Guys attack with slingshots and bells, and Snifits shoot ice and fire. This is far from the only enemy to get additional attacks compared to other games. And it's just a golden-colored Bullet Bill anyway.
 They look like Bill Blasters, they act like Bill Blasters, even their Monster List description is pretty much describing Bill Blasters, and they appeared before Bill Blasters properly received their current name. Let's merge them, shall we?
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 ===Support===
 #{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|DesaMatt}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Biggestman}} If it looks like a Bill Blaster, shoots like a Bill Blaster and works like a Bill Blaster, it's probably a Bill Blaster. Per all.
-#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per all.
-#{{User|Mario}} If it looks like a... okay, ya beat me to it. [[File:MarioLosingMP2.png]] Per Biggestman.
-#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per all.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
-#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all. I don't know why this is its own article in the first place.
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