Editing Talk:Blarggwich

==Blargg?==
Are we sure this is a sub-species of a Blargg, as it looks nothing like a Blargg and it also doesn't act like a Blargg? {{User|Yoshi876}}
:The build is like a [[Gargantua Blargg]] and it shares that characteristic eyes and eyebrows, just without the mouth. Other than that, I'm not sure if it's even a Blaarg. 
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:04, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

== Salvo the Slime's castle. ==
I've found in the Japanese advance manual, [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/3/3f/Advance_3_Shogakukan_P24.png here], that the Support Ghost found in Salvo the Slime's Castle has a different name from the Blargg looking one. Can anyone tell me in Romaji what is it name, and what does it name means? --[[Special:Contributions/83.156.220.80|83.156.220.80]] 11:55, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:Looks like it's "rojā rifuto", according to {{user|2257}}, so "Roger Lift". I'll add it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:26, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
::Then they should be split, since they're clearly different. Anyone know what the description of it says about it? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:30, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

[[media:Advance 3 Shogakukan P24.png|Roger Lift]]:

<span class="explain" title="おたま">頭</span>に<span class="explain" title="あしば">足場</span>を<span class="explain" title="の">乗</span>せた<span class="explain" title="みず">水</span>のおばけ。ビョーンとのびて<span class="explain" title="たか">高</span>い<span class="explain" title="ところ">所</span>へ<span class="explain" title="はこ">運</span>んでくれる。ふれてもダメージは<span class="explain" title="う">受</span>けないので、<span class="explain" title="あんしん">安心</span>して<span class="explain" title="はこ">運</span>んでもらおう。

My translation:

''A water {{wp|obake}} wearing a foothold on its head. Its bouncy stretching can carry to high places. Contact also will not deal damage, so reassuringly let it carry you.''

[[media:Advance 3 Shogakukan P14.png|Unbaba Lift]]:

<span class="explain" title="おたま">頭</span>のリフトでヨッシーを<span class="explain" title="はこ">運</span>んでくれる。<span class="explain" title="かんぜんじどううんてん">完全自動運転</span>なので、<span class="explain" title="ゆうずう">融通</span>がきかないのがタマにキズ。

My translation:

''Its head lift will carry Yoshi. It is in fully automatic motion, so it is unadaptable to certain hazards.''

So Roger Lift is essentially a harmless water spirit, and Unbaba Lift / Support Ghost / Blarggwich is more like a creature that takes Yoshi through an obstacle course when active. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:00, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
:So, the redirection i made should be changed to a page? The player guide only says about [[Sluggy The Unshaven's Fort]], but not [[Salvo The Slime's Castle]]. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:20, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
::Indubitably. They are different things. THem being merged in the first place was simply ease of mentioning the vaguely-similar thing we didn't yet have a name for. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:09, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

== Two different things? ==
This thing has two different Japanese and Korean names in ''Yoshi's New Island''. One for the normal version, and one for the "sandwich" version. Would it make sense to split them? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 08:03, November 25, 2022 (EST)
:They seem like two separate objects, but how would it work exactly since they appeared in the same game with an identical English name? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:22, November 25, 2022 (EST)
::Would "Blarggwich (sandwich)" work, like how there's "Pokey" and "Pokey (heading)"? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 08:44, November 25, 2022 (EST)
:::That can work. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:46, November 25, 2022 (EST)

== Split the ''Yoshi's New Island'' World 2-8 variant ==
{{TPP}}
This proposal aims to split the variant found in World 2-8 of ''Yoshi's New Island''.

* Appearance: The original grows from the bottom of the screen and carries a green lift. The World 2-8 variant is sandwiched between two yellow or red lifts.
* Behavior: The original moves along a set path. The World 2-8 variant stays still or moves along a path, and raises the lift on its head when hit with a ground pound.
* Name: The two have different names in Japanese and Korean versions, and the same name in most other translations. The name "Blarggwich" itself is a portmanteau of "Blargg" and "sandwich", which seems to describe the World 2-8 variant. The use of the name in the title of [[Ride the Blarggwich]] may be a mistake.

The name I suggest for the new page is "Blarggwich (sandwich)", following the format of "[[Pokey (heading)]]".

'''Proposer''': {{User|Blinker}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 27, 2023, 23:59 GMT

====Split as {{Fake link|Blarggwich (sandwich)}}====
#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per, go for it
#{{User|Ray Trace}} These two are different enemies with vastly different behaviors, agreed with this.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.

====Split as {{Fake link|Blarggwich (Count Fang's Castle)}}====
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal, and this identifier feels less awkward in my opinion.
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per Hewer.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Hewer.

====Oppose====

====Comments====
I agree that the variant should be split, but I'm iffy on the "sandwich" identifier. Why not "Blarggwich ([[Count Fang's Castle]])"? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 20:04, August 15, 2023 (EDT)
:I was worried that having multiple support options might result in a tie, but whatever. I've added "Blarggwich (Count Fang's Castle)" as an option. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 05:57, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
::...if they appear again in a later game, that's ''definitely'' not a good identifier. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:03, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
If the use of "Blarggwich" in the Ride the Blarggwich level truly is a mistake, then perhaps the page could be moved back to Support Ghost, meaning that the new Blarggwich article doesn't even have to require an identifier. Admittedly though, it might be a bit too speculative to fully commit to it? {{User:Arend/sig}} 03:57, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
: It possibly being too speculative is my worry as well, even if it would be more practical. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 05:57, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
:@Ray Trace, excuse me... "Enemy"? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:01, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
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 == Split the ''Yoshi's New Island'' World 2-8 variant ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-5-0|move to Blarggwich (sandwich)}}
 This proposal aims to split the variant found in World 2-8 of ''Yoshi's New Island''.
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 #{{User|Ray Trace}} These two are different enemies with vastly different behaviors, agreed with this.
 #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per pickle.
-#{{User|Arend}} While I would personally prefer the original page to be moved back to "Support Ghost" and this to be split into "Blarggwich" without the identifier, that is all a bit too speculative; currently, this is the better option, with the identifier also being simple enough.
-#{{User|Hewer}} Second choice, I'd rather it be split with this identifier than not be split at all.
 ====Split as {{Fake link|Blarggwich (Count Fang's Castle)}}====
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 #{{User|Pizza Master}} Per Hewer.
 #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Hewer.
-#{{User|DesaMatt}} Per Hewer.
-#{{User|MegaBowser64}} We don't need to be brutally literal. It's called ''tact''. (I think)
 ====Oppose====
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 :I was worried that having multiple support options might result in a tie, but whatever. I've added "Blarggwich (Count Fang's Castle)" as an option. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 05:57, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
 ::...if they appear again in a later game, that's ''definitely'' not a good identifier. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:03, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
-:::But that's yet to happen, and I'd rather not resort to sandwich when it can be helped. There's also [[Muffy]] for precedent. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:23, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
-::::I still feel better about the identifier being the distinguishing characteristic, rather than something arbitrary like where it was placed. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:05, August 19, 2023 (EDT)
-::::Muffy I feel like isn't a good example considering both characters only exist in one part of the game each and are incredibly minor NPCs that look exactly alike and aren't likely to make another appearance outside of a remake or change location (and even if ''Super Paper Mario'' ever got a remake, one of the Muffys would be likely to change their name anyway to avoid confusion). {{User:Arend/sig}} 19:16, August 19, 2023 (EDT)
-:::::That's all irrelevant and/or conjecture that doesn't change the point I was making that there is precedent for location identifiers being fair game, but I concede that it would be better to split with the "sandwich" identifier than to not split at all as there is also precedent for identifiers of that style despite my personal preference, so I've added a second vote. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 20:02, August 19, 2023 (EDT)
 If the use of "Blarggwich" in the Ride the Blarggwich level truly is a mistake, then perhaps the page could be moved back to Support Ghost, meaning that the new Blarggwich article doesn't even have to require an identifier. Admittedly though, it might be a bit too speculative to fully commit to it? {{User:Arend/sig}} 03:57, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
 : It possibly being too speculative is my worry as well, even if it would be more practical. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 05:57, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
 :@Ray Trace, excuse me... "Enemy"? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:01, August 16, 2023 (EDT)