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==Article Creation==
WHAT!!! I WAS REPEATEDLY TOLD '''NOT''' TO MAKE THIS ARTICLE!!!- [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

:Not to be rude, but the proposal that was passed said that we were to '''split''' [[Birdo]] into her character, and her species. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Sorry if that was blunt.}}
::Rooben, Ultimatetoad wrote that before the proposal passed.  I didn't know it either, but apparently I'm not the first to propose that this article be created.  Wild! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 22:13, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Whoa! Yeah, he wrote this almost a year ago! <sub>Ooops...</sub> {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Thanks for telling me that!}}
::No problem!  I had to check the first time I saw it, too! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:04, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Yes, of course, I was the one who told him not to create it. Back then, no one decided if we wanted to create it, if Birdo was really a species and I didn't want this article. I still want it, but the proposal was finished. Ah well. :P http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif

==Stumpers' To-Do List==
I know I have a big part of the article done, but I'm by no means calling it a day.  We need to remove the information that is added to this article from the [[Birdo]] article.  Here's my list of things to add to this article and remove from the Birdo one when they overlap: {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:04, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

*Adding "Betrayal Most Proper" to the History section
*Biology section
**physiology
**life cycle
**abilities
*<s>Information from the Comics</s>
*Noteable Birdos (technically complete)
*Actual Histroy (from character to species, etc.)


Hey Stumpers should I put this tag because it not finshin. [[Template:Construction]] [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 06:27, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:Not that it's really up to me, but I wouldn't think that the article would need that tag simply because the article has pretty much all the basics that it needs to be substantial for now. With the video game articles that have very little info and still '''need''' work, that's when that tag would come in handy. This article has a good portion of information, and it's mostly gonna need just little edits; perhaps the occasional add-of-bio. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|But I don't wanna step on Stumpers' toes.}}
::I think I will go ahead on put the template on there.  Thanks for reminding me about it!  The article technically is fine as it is, but I think its good to put the header up there until I can get information about the comics there... I don't want people to think that Birdos have appeared nowhere else! ;) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:10, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::Okay. I didn't know. :o {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Sowwy.}}
:::Wha?  You shouldn't be sorry! :D You're fine!  And doing awesome stuff around here. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 22:31, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
::::Hey, thanks! :D W00t! I done been complimented! {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|W00t W00t!}}


Yaaaay! Nice Template! [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 15:01, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks!
Just thought I'd mention this here; I found another comic Birdos appear in, "Betrayal Most Proper". Two attack Mario and Toad when they storm Bowser's Castle looking for Wooster. Here the panel: [http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9483/birdobetrayalmostproperbj2.jpg]. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 20:06, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks very much!! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

==Plural==
Is it "Birdo" or "Birdos"?  I don't believe I've ever heard a plural used before!  If that's the case, we should probably use "Birdos" because we know the plural of "Yoshi" is "Yoshies." {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:32, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

I think it plural if there more then one birdo is might be Birdos right or Birdies. Well is Yoshies have a plural sure that Birdos have plurals too. (This is too confusing!) [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 19:36, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
:I would think (going by my school book) that it would be "Birdoes". That looks weird, but it says if a vowel (o) follows a consonant (d), then an "es" must be added; if it is a vowel-vowel ending, it's just "s". {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|That does look odd though.}}

::I think the Marioverse has a different way to do this, maybe? http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif

:::Thanks, Rooben.  Thing is, it lookes like "Bir -- does" now... as in "That's what he '''does''' for a living." But this is English we're talking about, and there are plenty of strange, non-phonetic things like that.  Does anyone know of any word that ends in "do" or "bo" or whatever? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
::::Hmm...well, all I can think of (off the top of my head) is: "Psychos", "hobos", "albinos", and "armadillos". I know there's a lot more than that though. o.0 {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|I agree that "Birdos" looks a lot better, though.}}
:::Huh... in all of those, it's "os" rather than "oes"... wild. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:16, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
::I totally agree! {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|XD}}
:::Okay, so here's the deal: it's not correct either way because it has never been used in a plural context... this would even be a conjectural title article except that the ''Super Show'' has something to the extent of, "Come back with Toad, you stupid Birdo!"  BUT, the precident set with Toad, the precedent sent with the words you listed (which was awesome... how did you think of all of this?), the whole "does" appearance of the plurals, and the fact that we all agree it looks better so there is no opposition, I think we can safely use "Birdos."  Awesome!  Case closed, IMO.  Thanks Rooben! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:55, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
::::o_0 That's kwazy! But it makes sense. Glad I could help! {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|And for my next trick, I'll investigate why the buttons on Mario's overalls are yellow! XD}}
:::I'm coming in a bit late here, but I think the difference between words like "does" and "albinos" is because of pronounciation: "Do" (doo) becomes "Does" (duhs), while albino (ahl-by-noe) keeps the "oh" sound (ahl-by-nose). Since Birdo is pronounced "bird-oh", it should be Birdos (bird-ohs). English is a pain: I cound only figure this out because I'm also learning French and ''its'' pronounciation rules. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
::::The pronunciation has nothing to do with it--what about echoes, tomatoes, torpedoes, heroes, and potatoes? {{User:Goomb-omb/sig}}
:::::Very true - I can't believe I didn't remember those counter-examples at the time! As I said before, English is an inconsistant pain in the rear. I say simpler is better, so we should stick with "Birdos" (IMO). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 01:47, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

==Need another main picture==

The character depicted in the main picture is "the" birdo, as she's wearing a diamond ring. We need to get some random birdo. [[User:Mumbles|Mumbles]] 19:19, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:It'd be nice if Nintendo released official artwork of lotsa Birdos, but the current one works because, well, Birdo ''is'' a Birdo. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}
::Mumbles: the Birdo'''s''' in ''Mario Strikers Charged'' and I believe ''Super Mario Strikers'' as well all wore rings.  It's a big oversight of the developement team.  In other words, what you are saying applies to all gimes except the ''Strikers'' games.  And don't worry -- I'll replace that image as soon as I fine one better. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:40, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Birdos in Sports ==

Is it really necessary to talk about how ''the'' Birdo character represents its species in all these games? It doesn't do that for [[Yoshi]] on the [[Yoshi (species)]] page, or [[Toad]] on [[Toad (species)]]. Plus its not gender neutral. I'm going ahead and removing the superfluous information, but I thought I'd mention it here anyway. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:07, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
:I included it because, if you were to write an article about a race of humanity, such as Asians, Caucasians, African-Americans, etc. you would include references to individual members of the race.  Keep in mind that the Yoshi (species) and Toad (species) pages are far from complete if memory serves. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
::Okay, but having sections for each sport [[Birdo]] played was a bit excessive. There should just be, say, a one-liner about how it plays which sports; but it shouldn't be the focus of the section. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
:::Agreed.  I couldn't believe that I had written over 1000 characters about her and her alone. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:21, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== new color ==

I was playing mario super sluggers, and in movie clip one, me and my bro both saw a tan colored birdo with a red bow. im adding it.
{{User:YourBuddyBill/sig}}

ok, not m best edit. if uthink the section shold be renamed colors, feel free to do so.
{{User:YourBuddyBill/sig}}
:Hey, that's a good section.  I'm thinking if we put a biology section or something like that, we could describe many facts about the species, including the color.  Anyway, the information is here, which is the important part - organization is just making everything look good!  Thanks! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 22:00, 20 January 2009 (EST)

==Super Mario Bros. 2==
Should we consider each Birdo you fight as a boss in SMB2 as a separate Birdo, and individual members of the Birdo species? They each have different abilities and colors, so they can't be the same one. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:48, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:It's true, but what will we name them? Birdo (boss1), Birdo (boss2), Birdo (boss 3), you get the idea. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::I don't think naming them will be necessary. There's so few information for them that they could just be generally described on this page. Example: "There are x Birdos found in SMB2. Each exhibits a different ability, such as spitting eggs, fire, and doing so at different speeds. They also vary in color, going from pink to red to green..." You get the idea. But, Stumpers said on Birdo's Talk page that he believes they're the same one, though nothing official truly supports it. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 16:32, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:::I doubt it. How, and why, would they change colors? In real life, animals only change colors to hide, not whenever it feels like it. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::::His reasoning was they share a voice, though that could be explained by similarities in vocal-sounds in a particular species, as well as by Nintendo not wanting to hire more voice actors; and that the Birdos become increasingly agitated at the player's persistence. Without reading/hearing the actual script, I couldn't tell you if that's indicative of anything other than minions angry that they have to deal with a hero that the lower ranks couldn't take care of. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 16:46, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Just put the other Birdos in the article. I'm pretty sure nobody will argue. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

The instruction manual explicitly says that the Birdo in SMB2 is a character. See [[Birdo#Gender|this]].{{User:Knife/sig}} 17:06, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:Understandable. But I'm not sure that extends to ''all'' the Birdos in the game, since it says he "likes to shoot eggs". Some of the later Birdos don't do that. I thought a fair way to go about it would be to write something like this on the Birdo page: "While the manual identifies Birdo as a character, several [[Birdo (species)|Birdos]] are encountered throughout ''Super Mario Bros. 2''. It is unclear which exactly is "the" Birdo, though it may be the very first one fought." [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 17:32, 8 December 2009 (EST)
::The trophy description for SSBM and SSBB states that Birdo can shoot fireballs.{{User:Knife/sig}} 20:05, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:::Well, that settles that... But ''the'' Birdo is still ''a'' Birdo, so we should still have a Super Mario Bros. 2 section. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:49, 8 December 2009 (EST)

==Chaper 6-1 SAMMER GUYS!==
Using tippi on those birds that fly down against some sammer guys call them "Birdo"s [[User:LucariosAura|LucariosAura]] 11:10, 21 February 2010 (EST)
:uh... hello? [[User:LucariosAura|LucariosAura (used to be specialk)]] 05:19, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Be more clear about what you're talking about. No one is responding because we don't understand what you're trying to tell us. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:39, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:::The "Squatting Birdo" Sammer Guy in Super Paper Mario (and some other sammer guys) have birds that fly down, and they are called Birdos if you use Tippi on them. [[User:LucariosAura|LucariosAura (used to be specialk)]] 08:19, 7 March 2010 (EST)
::::Bump. [[User:LucariosAura|LucariosAura (used to be specialk)]] 12:16, 17 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::"birds that fly down"? None of the Sammer Guys have that. There are leves that fly down, but A: Those are an intangible part of the map and B: you can't tattle them. And the ninjas that come down are called NinJoes, NinJohns, or NinJerries, and thus, not Birdos. [[User:Pageless| Deleted, Nameless, and Pageless]]

==Are Birdos all female?==
Aren't all Birdos female just as all Yoshis are male? I mean, you never see any female Yoshis, and you never see any male Birdos. [[User:Mario24|Mario24]] ([[User talk:Mario24|talk]]) 09:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Actually, the genders of both species remain ambiguous.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 13:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT)
:Actually, [[Yoshi_(species)#Gender|male and female Yoshis have both appeared]], although there is still some ambiguity in other cases. The character [[Birdo]] started off as a male who wanted to be female, and even though [[Birdo#Gender|it's not as simple anymore]], it's still evidence that Birdos are divided into the two genders. Besides, taking the lack of males as a sign that there are no males would be highly speculative even without the Birdo character stuff. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::Also a male Birdo appeared in the cartoons [[Cheepy]]. {{User|Raven Effect}}

== about the MK7 appearance ==

the only place where it is mentioned that they appear in MK7 is in the "latest appearance" {{unsigned|94.212.198.202}}

== Infobox art ==

Would it not make more sense to use the blue or yellow Birdo art from MKT? I know it's not the signature color but at least it's more typical to the Mario franchise as a whole compared to Strikers. [[Special:Contributions/73.147.234.34|73.147.234.34]] 19:02, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
:I have to agree, it just seems rather misleading and easily mistaken to be the character Birdo. I think the Light-Blue Birdo should be in the info box, while the Yellow one can appear in the section of ''Mario Kart Tour'' in addition to having a gallery for the Birdos as well. --[[User:Gamermakerguy|Gamermakerguy]] ([[User talk:Gamermakerguy|talk]]) 19:41, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
::Personally, I see this as more proof the pages should be merged outright. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:49, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
:::So it can be cluttered with more info on Birdo's page? --[[User:Gamermakerguy|Gamermakerguy]] ([[User talk:Gamermakerguy|talk]]) 20:43, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
::::No, because this page is a cluttered embarrassment and having this info on Birdo's page would give this info the cohesion it needs. It's not about biographies or anything like that, it's about concepts. That's why Dry Bowser can b both a form of Bowser and a separate character who is a "family friend" at the same time. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:50, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
:::::Yeah but like Yoshi's, Birdo's are a species along with one being the particular character, so logically Yoshi himself should be merged in the species article vice versa. --[[User:Gamermakerguy|Gamermakerguy]] ([[User talk:Gamermakerguy|talk]]) 21:03, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Yoshi has actually appeared as a species in a plot-important capacity. Almost all of these are background or otherwise generic appearances. Heck, the fact that they say "Birdo (light blue)" rather than "Light Blue Birdo" implies it ''is'' the "main" Birdo, as that is how they parse "costume" characters, not recolor species. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:08, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Except multiple Birdo's appear in the background usually as audience in the Mario spin-offs. Yeah but Birdo (Light Blue) doesn't really confirm they are the same character though. Red Koopa (Freerunning) and Gold Koopa (Freerunning) would be the same Koopa Troopa but they are definitely not the same characters since they separately appear in ''Super Mario Odyssey''. --[[User:Gamermakerguy|Gamermakerguy]] ([[User talk:Gamermakerguy|talk]]) 21:16, April 8, 2020 (EDT)