Editing Talk:Birdo

== Resplit Birdo (species) ==

I have 15 rebuttals to arguments I've seen from other users against splitting [[Birdo]] and {{fake link|Birdo (species)}}.

#{{User|Rykitu}} I agree with FanOfYoshi

#{{User|Nelsonic}} Primary opinion. Per all.

===Oppose===

#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} I'd support splitting the SMB2 Birdo bosses individually, and I'd support covering other appearances of these color variants on the resultant pages [[Talk:White Shy Guy#Reverse the above proposal|in whatever manner the community decides it is done for the white and black Shy Guys]]. Outside of SMB2, non-pink Birdos barely have anything going for them collectively that warrant a separate page from Birdo. Yoshis may fulfill various [[Yoshi (species)#Super Mario World|gameplay]], [[Yoshi (species)#Club Nintendo|narrative]], and [[Yoshi (species)#Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time|speaking roles]] that set them apart from the green Yoshi. Birdos (plural) most often appear as mere duplicates of *the* pink Birdo, either acting exactly the same as her or being there just to fill in a non-speaking NPC role, and it really doesn't help how recent games follow a trend of referring to them using bracket identifiers like "Birdo (Red)". The only game I can think of that confers Birdo colors some crucial distinctions, gameplay-adjacent or not, is Mario Kart Tour, where each color Birdo is given a set of favored courses and (maybe) a special item--but that's a moot basis for a split, because that game effectively relies on giving each individual playable skin its own set of attributes distinct from the base character. To me, separating Birdo the character and Birdo the species would feel like singling out the Dry Bones character you play as in spin-offs, or [[Talk:Boom Boom (species)#Merge this with Boom Boom|extrapolating that Boom Boom is a species of its own]].

#{{User|Mario}} Probably worthwhile to check how [[Metal Mario]] is organized, which used to also try to split between character and powerup to rather confusing results, see [[Talk:Metal Mario]]. Currently, it's a much more straightforward page that focuses on Metal Mario as a more abstract concept without needing to try to distinguish between the ambiguous identities of powerup vs. character while leaving interpretation of what Metal Mario actually is up to the reader, not taking a stance, which is more in-spirit to how the developers use these character. I think that page is better for this. There was a similar case for Boom Boom as well. I wouldn't be opposed to a similar idea of Yoshi, Yoshis; Toad, Toads though the resulting pages are probably going to be huge. At least when a red-spotted Toad is there, there'll be less issue trying to sort it into a Toad species article or The Toad article or just both.

===Comments===

::::Except that in ''[[BS Super Mario USA]]'', Pink Birdo, Red Birdo, and Green Birdo are all indicated as separate characters ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0-ous94Xs As seen here], and some [[:File:Subcon desert.png|episode]] [[:File:World 5.png|title cards]]), not as one and the same being. The [https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_NES/manual/Formated/Super_Mario_Bros._2_-_1986_-_Nintendo.pdf manual for SMB2] is unfortunately no help either; while it does describe Birdo as a singular character, that applies to ''every'' enemy in the game. {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:31, February 8, 2025 (EST)

:::::The amount of inconsistency here is further reason to list these all together. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:07, February 8, 2025 (EST)