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==Decide how to handle this enemy== | ==Decide how to handle this enemy== | ||
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Please read above, but to summarize: both designs of the ''Donkey Kong Jr.'' bird are sometimes referred to as "Nitpickers" in home ports (many of which remove one of the designs), while Japanese material for Game Boy ''Donkey Kong'' contains a direct reference to Stage 4 of said game but gives a different name to the bird, which otherwise resembles the raven-like design of Nitpicker. It's clear that an effort was made to distinguish them for the Game Boy game, though both designs have yet to reappear in the same game together outside of emulation. The proposal will handle the situation in one of several ways. The first option will partially merge the information for the raven-like version of Nitpicker with the Kuro article. The remaining actions will fully merge the Kuro article with Nitpicker, but the details differ: the first method will still refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro in all appearances (including before they receive their unique name), the second method will refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro in the Game Boy game only, and the third method will refer to the Game Boy appearance as Nitpicker in general. The last option will simply leave the Nitpicker and Kuro articles alone, which I don't recommend since it's essentially [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|two articles for the same enemy]]. See also: [[Talk:Fire#Decide how to handle this enemy|Fire]]. | Please read above, but to summarize: both designs of the ''Donkey Kong Jr.'' bird are sometimes referred to as "Nitpickers" in home ports (many of which remove one of the designs), while Japanese material for Game Boy ''Donkey Kong'' contains a direct reference to Stage 4 of said game but gives a different name to the bird, which otherwise resembles the raven-like design of Nitpicker. It's clear that an effort was made to distinguish them for the Game Boy game, though both designs have yet to reappear in the same game together outside of emulation. The proposal will handle the situation in one of several ways. The first option will partially merge the information for the raven-like version of Nitpicker with the Kuro article. The remaining actions will fully merge the Kuro article with Nitpicker, but the details differ: the first method will still refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro in all appearances (including before they receive their unique name), the second method will refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro in the Game Boy game only, and the third method will refer to the Game Boy appearance as Nitpicker in general. The last option will simply leave the Nitpicker and Kuro articles alone, which I don't recommend since it's essentially [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|two articles for the same enemy]]. See also: [[Talk:Fire#Decide how to handle this enemy|Fire]]. | ||
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===Merge the raven-like Nitpicker with Kuro=== | ===Merge the raven-like Nitpicker with Kuro=== | ||
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) I'd consider this divergent concept evolution, myself. Merging outright seems like a terrible idea IMO, not the least of which because it's giving older sources higher priority. Regardless, given that GBDK's enemy situation is basically Metroid's "we've resprited the enemy with the same behavior no one will notice lol," having multiple with the same info is just bound to happen. | #[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) I'd consider this divergent concept evolution, myself. Merging outright seems like a terrible idea IMO, not the least of which because it's giving older sources higher priority. Regardless, given that GBDK's enemy situation is basically Metroid's "we've resprited the enemy with the same behavior no one will notice lol," having multiple with the same info is just bound to happen. | ||
===Merge Kuro with Nitpicker and refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro=== | ===Merge Kuro with Nitpicker and refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro=== | ||
===Merge Kuro with Nitpicker and refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro for the Game Boy game only=== | ===Merge Kuro with Nitpicker and refer to the raven-like variant as Kuro for the Game Boy game only=== | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Alternative to below | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Alternative to below. | ||
===Merge Kuro with Nitpicker and refer to the raven-like variant as Nitpicker=== | ===Merge Kuro with Nitpicker and refer to the raven-like variant as Nitpicker=== | ||
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===Leave as-is and do nothing=== | ===Leave as-is and do nothing=== | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
@Doc: The reason I don't side with the split or second options is because I believe it'd be too unnecessarily convoluted in the long run. Glowsquid once [[Special:Diff/2528590|suggested]] possibly going more in-depth with port articles in the future, and keeping the enemy on the same page saves some headache keeping track of which exact enemy variations appear in which game versions. Also, I think it's likelier that future developers will reference the arcade game or even the NES version over the Game Boy game, given its iconic status and amount of re-releases/ports. I have similar thoughts on the Fire proposal. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:30, January 21, 2020 (EST) | @Doc: The reason I don't side with the split or second options is because I believe it'd be too unnecessarily convoluted in the long run. Glowsquid once [[Special:Diff/2528590|suggested]] possibly going more in-depth with port articles in the future, and keeping the enemy on the same page saves some headache keeping track of which exact enemy variations appear in which game versions. Also, I think it's likelier that future developers will reference the arcade game or even the NES version over the Game Boy game, given its iconic status and amount of re-releases/ports. I have similar thoughts on the Fire proposal. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:30, January 21, 2020 (EST) | ||
:Thing is, if it does appear in a later game, it'd probably be a MvsDK game. The first | :Thing is, if it does appear in a later game, it'd probably be a MvsDK game. The first MxsDK was a functional sequel to GBDK, and its influence still hasn't left it despite the more ''Lemmings''-esque direction the series moved in. Also, this is a DKJr enemy, and as such isn't really that much more "iconic" than GBDK from a modern standpoint. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:07, January 21, 2020 (EST) | ||
