Editing Talk:Bike

==Should articles for Standard bikes and Sport bikes be created?==
Since ''[[Mario Kart 8]]'', there is a clear distinction between Standard bikes and Sport bikes, both in the game's menu (they have different icons) and in gameplay (they clearly play very differently both in ''[[Mario Kart Wii]]'' and ''Mario Kart 8'', to the point that exploits that worked with outside drifting vehicles in the latter game don't work at all with Sport bikes). Since both types now also have an official English name, should we consider creating separate pages for both?

As a further question, the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart 8'' doesn't use the ''inside drifting'' term at all, and [http://www.21010.net/club/bn/wii/rmcj/pdf/p014_015.pdf the Nintendo Official Guidebook of ''Mario Kart Wii''] uses the ''drift type'' (「ドリフトタイプ」) term for outside drifting vehicles and the ''hang-on type'' (「ハングオンタイプ」) term for inside drifting vehicles, which effectively better reflect the fact that inside drifting vehicles don't drift at all, rather lean toward the inside of the turn. Could someone with the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart Wii'' check if ''outside drifting'' and ''inside drifting'' are stemming from there or if they are completely made up by the competitive Mario Kart community?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:45, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:You should ask the same for the karts and ATVs first. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 12:52, 30 January 2018 (EST)
::I think you're missing the point. [[Kart]]s and [[ATV]]s are already covered on separate pages on the wiki, what I'm talking about is that standard bikes and sport bikes don't have separate articles despite now being distinguished on all levels since ''Mario Kart 8'' (and from a gameplay point of view since ''Mario Kart Wii'').--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 13:19, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, Karts and ATVs don't ''have'' this sort of distinction between them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:22, 30 January 2018 (EST)
::::We could keep the general bike page and create a page on Standard and Sport bikes as "subspecies" of bikes that specifies their differences. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:15, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:::::That's indeed what I had in mind, and I wanted to know if you think it's a good idea or not.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:42, 30 January 2018 (EST)

I got the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart Wii'' and, as expected, it doesn't mention ''inside drifting'' or ''outside drifting'' at all. It just mentions bikes and uses the generic term ''drifting'' in all cases. As a short summary:
* Since ''Mario Kart Wii'' the Nintendo Official Guidebooks distinguished between vehicles that drift (「ドリフトタイプ」, ''drift type'') and vehicles that commit to the turn (「ハングオンタイプ」, ''hang-on type'')
* The PRIMA ''Mario Kart Wii'' guide just mentions bikes and the ''drifts'' you do with them without specifying the differences - just like the game UI does
* The PRIMA ''Mario Kart 8'' guide on the other hand clearly distinguishes between Standard and Sport Bikes - just like the game UI does - and states that the former drift, while the latter commit to the turn
I therefore think that we should keep this page while also creating separate pages for Sport Bikes and Standard Bikes, now that they are officially disitnguished also in North American official material - and in the games' UI. I also think that we should use the terms ''drifting'' and ''commiting to the turn'' in place of the unofficial and inappropriate ''outside drifting'' and ''inside drifting'' terms, which would be mentioned the first time those two terms are introduced (e.g. ''Sport Bikes are peculiar because they commit to the turn, an action commonly and improperly referred to as inside drifting''). I would like to know your opinion on the matter.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 07:05, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

== Create the {{fake link|Standard Bike (vehicle class)}} and {{fake link|Sport Bike (vehicle class)}} pages and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms ==

{{TPP}}
From my points above, you can see how since ''Mario Kart 8'' bikes are officially split into Sport Bikes and Standard Bikes not only from a gameplay point of view, but also from a game UI point of view, with the PRIMA guide now officially naming both vehicle classes and describing the main difference between them. I therefore propose to create separate pages for them, leaving this as an overview page (which it pretty much already is).

The PRIMA guide and the Nintendo Official Guidebook of ''Mario Kart Wii', as well as the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart 8'', also revealed that ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' were never official terms - after all the sport bikes do not drift at all, they commit to the turn when holding the jump button. Since those terms are popular but incorrect in describing the behavior of those vehicles, I also propose to replace them with the proper terms that describe what they actually do - drifting and commiting to the turn -, leaving just a single reference to those community-made terms in this page (and the {{fake link|Standard Bike (vehicle class)}} and {{fake link|Sport Bike (vehicle class)}} pages, should they be created).

'''Proposer''': {{User|Mister Wu}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 25, 2018, 23:59 GMT

====Create pages for the ''Standard Bike'' and ''Sport Bike'' vehicle classes and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms====
#{{User|Mister Wu}} My favorite choice
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal.

====Only create an article for the ''Standard Bike'' and ''Sport Bike'' vehicle classes====

====Only limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms====

====Do nothing====

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 I therefore think that we should keep this page while also creating separate pages for Sport Bikes and Standard Bikes, now that they are officially disitnguished also in North American official material - and in the games' UI. I also think that we should use the terms ''drifting'' and ''commiting to the turn'' in place of the unofficial and inappropriate ''outside drifting'' and ''inside drifting'' terms, which would be mentioned the first time those two terms are introduced (e.g. ''Sport Bikes are peculiar because they commit to the turn, an action commonly and improperly referred to as inside drifting''). I would like to know your opinion on the matter.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 07:05, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
-== Create the {{fake link|Standard bike (vehicle class)}} and {{fake link|Sport bike (vehicle class)}} pages and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms ==
+== Create the {{fake link|Standard Bike (vehicle class)}} and {{fake link|Sport Bike (vehicle class)}} pages and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0-0-0|Create pages for the ''Standard bike'' and ''Sport bike'' vehicle classes and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms}}
-From my points above, you can see how since ''Mario Kart 8'' bikes are officially split into ''sport bikes'' and ''standard bikes'' not only from a gameplay point of view, but also from a game UI point of view, with the PRIMA guide now officially naming both vehicle classes and describing the main difference between them. I therefore propose to create separate pages for them, leaving this as an overview page (which it pretty much already is).
-The PRIMA guide and the Nintendo Official Guidebook of ''Mario Kart Wii'', as well as the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart 8'', also revealed that ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' were never official terms - after all the sport bikes do not drift at all, they commit to the turn when holding the jump button. Since those terms are popular but incorrect in describing the behavior of those vehicles, I also propose to replace them with the proper terms that describe what they actually do - drifting and commiting to the turn -, leaving just a single reference to those community-made terms in this page (and the {{fake link|Standard bike (vehicle class)}} and {{fake link|Sport bike (vehicle class)}} pages, should they be created).
+{{TPP}}
+From my points above, you can see how since ''Mario Kart 8'' bikes are officially split into Sport Bikes and Standard Bikes not only from a gameplay point of view, but also from a game UI point of view, with the PRIMA guide now officially naming both vehicle classes and describing the main difference between them. I therefore propose to create separate pages for them, leaving this as an overview page (which it pretty much already is).
+The PRIMA guide and the Nintendo Official Guidebook of ''Mario Kart Wii', as well as the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart 8'', also revealed that ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' were never official terms - after all the sport bikes do not drift at all, they commit to the turn when holding the jump button. Since those terms are popular but incorrect in describing the behavior of those vehicles, I also propose to replace them with the proper terms that describe what they actually do - drifting and commiting to the turn -, leaving just a single reference to those community-made terms in this page (and the {{fake link|Standard Bike (vehicle class)}} and {{fake link|Sport Bike (vehicle class)}} pages, should they be created).
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Mister Wu}}<br>
 '''Deadline''': April 25, 2018, 23:59 GMT
-====Create pages for the ''Standard bike'' and ''Sport bike'' vehicle classes and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms====
+====Create pages for the ''Standard Bike'' and ''Sport Bike'' vehicle classes and limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms====
 #{{User|Mister Wu}} My favorite choice
 #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Reboot}} Per above
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per Mister Wu
-#{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} Per all.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
-====Only create an article for the ''Standard bike'' and ''Sport bike'' vehicle classes====
+====Only create an article for the ''Standard Bike'' and ''Sport Bike'' vehicle classes====
 ====Only limit the use of the unofficial ''inside drifting'' and ''outside drifting'' terms====
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 ====Comments====
-If the "restrict the term ''inside/outside'' drifting" clause pass, then shouldn't the terms be added to the [[MarioWiki:Good writing#Frequently misused terms|list of frequently misused terms]]? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:12, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
-:I'm not sure, as even though they are popular in the Mario Kart community due to the success of ''Mario Kart Wii'', ''Mario Kart 8'' and ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'', in this wiki those terms are used only in relation to said games. Much depends on their future use by unaware editors, should this part of the proposal pass.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:31, 10 April 2018 (EDT)