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== Do what the above section header indicates and merge to [[Chomp Shark]] == | == Do what the above section header indicates and merge to [[Chomp Shark]] == | ||
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See above. "Biggu" in the context of this franchise is almost exclusively used for large enemies and bosses in the ''Yoshi'' games. And while it doesn't act really like Chomp Shark, it is worth noting that [[Blindfold Boo]] also doesn't act like its SMW2 originator; in fact, that acts like Chomp Shark! Anyways, aside from JP name, these have similar nonstandard eye position, are of the chainless "Chomp" variety, and their position in the glossary does not indicate that in considers it a "new" enemy (those being [[Walruss]] and the [[Starfish]]). It's certainly not the same thing as what it's merged with now, at any rate. | See above. "Biggu" in the context of this franchise is almost exclusively used for large enemies and bosses in the ''Yoshi'' games. And while it doesn't act really like Chomp Shark, it is worth noting that [[Blindfold Boo]] also doesn't act like its SMW2 originator; in fact, that acts like Chomp Shark! Anyways, aside from JP name, these have similar nonstandard eye position, are of the chainless "Chomp" variety, and their position in the glossary does not indicate that in considers it a "new" enemy (those being [[Walruss]] and the [[Starfish]]). It's certainly not the same thing as what it's merged with now, at any rate. | ||
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== Merge Chomp Shark with this article == | == Merge Chomp Shark with this article == | ||
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I was going to wait until the [[Talk:Big Chomp and Little Chomp#Merge this article with the Mario Party 3 section of the Chain Chomp article|Big Chomp and Little Chomp proposal]] was over before doing this as two of its options involve these articles, but that proposal is currently stagnating and doesn't actually have a clear consensus, so I'm doing this now <s>because I'm impatient</s> to help push it forward. The Japanese names of Chomp Shark and Big Chain Chomp are ''Biggu Wanwan'' and ''Deka Wanwan'' respectively, which generally mean the same thing - "Big Chain Chomp". Chomp Shark has a separate article because of its unique behavior in the ''Yoshi's Island'' series and non-generic English name (English ''YI'' flowering up the names being par for the course), but then the above proposal got the ''Super Princess Peach'' one added to the article solely because it had the same Japanese name, despite not sharing its unique behavior or English name. (Note that ''SPP'''s English translation kinda sucks; see "[[Petey Piranha#Super Princess Peach|Boss P. Plant]]", "[[Volcano Lotus#Super Princess Peach|Volcano Plant]]", and "[[Spike Top#Super Princess Peach|Mecha-Spike Top]]".) So if Chomp Shark isn't defined by its behavior, then what does define it? The answer: nothing. They're both giant Chomps, with the only distinguishing factor with how we're handling them now being the Japanese name, which is inconsistent with how we handle other giant enemy variants, whose names tend to vary even in Japanese. Therefore, I don't see a reason to keep them split. | I was going to wait until the [[Talk:Big Chomp and Little Chomp#Merge this article with the Mario Party 3 section of the Chain Chomp article|Big Chomp and Little Chomp proposal]] was over before doing this as two of its options involve these articles, but that proposal is currently stagnating and doesn't actually have a clear consensus, so I'm doing this now <s>because I'm impatient</s> to help push it forward. The Japanese names of Chomp Shark and Big Chain Chomp are ''Biggu Wanwan'' and ''Deka Wanwan'' respectively, which generally mean the same thing - "Big Chain Chomp". Chomp Shark has a separate article because of its unique behavior in the ''Yoshi's Island'' series and non-generic English name (English ''YI'' flowering up the names being par for the course), but then the above proposal got the ''Super Princess Peach'' one added to the article solely because it had the same Japanese name, despite not sharing its unique behavior or English name. (Note that ''SPP'''s English translation kinda sucks; see "[[Petey Piranha#Super Princess Peach|Boss P. Plant]]", "[[Volcano Lotus#Super Princess Peach|Volcano Plant]]", and "[[Spike Top#Super Princess Peach|Mecha-Spike Top]]".) So if Chomp Shark isn't defined by its behavior, then what does define it? The answer: nothing. They're both giant Chomps, with the only distinguishing factor with how we're handling them now being the Japanese name, which is inconsistent with how we handle other giant enemy variants, whose names tend to vary even in Japanese. Therefore, I don't see a reason to keep them split. | ||
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#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} While Chomp Sharks are indeed relatively distinct from Big Chain Chomps in their ''Yoshi's Island'' series appearances, after examining the [[Big Chain Chomp]] article in detail, they have more similarities than I initially realized. Firstly, the vast majority of Big Chain Chomps cannot be directly harmed, just like Chomp Sharks (to my knowledge, the player can only directly defeat Big Chain Chomps in the ''Super Mario Maker'' games and in ''[[Super Mario Odyssey]]'', by [[Capture|capturing]] a [[T-Rex]]). Secondly, most Big Chain Chomps are enormous, especially in ''[[Paper Mario: Sticker Star]]'', ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'', and [[Princess (Paper Mario: Color Splash)|Princess]] from ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]''. | #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} While Chomp Sharks are indeed relatively distinct from Big Chain Chomps in their ''Yoshi's Island'' series appearances, after examining the [[Big Chain Chomp]] article in detail, they have more similarities than I initially realized. Firstly, the vast majority of Big Chain Chomps cannot be directly harmed, just like Chomp Sharks (to my knowledge, the player can only directly defeat Big Chain Chomps in the ''Super Mario Maker'' games and in ''[[Super Mario Odyssey]]'', by [[Capture|capturing]] a [[T-Rex]]). Secondly, most Big Chain Chomps are enormous, especially in ''[[Paper Mario: Sticker Star]]'', ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'', and [[Princess (Paper Mario: Color Splash)|Princess]] from ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]''. | ||
#{{User|Swallow}} Per all | #{{User|Swallow}} Per all | ||
====Move the ''SPP'' section of Chomp Shark back here==== | ====Move the ''SPP'' section of Chomp Shark back here==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
This may be irrelevant, but if we do end up merging Chomp Shark to the Big Chain Chomp article, I think that information on the Chain Chomps in [[Jungle Hut]] from ''[[Yoshi's Story]]'' should also be moved to Big Chain Chomp. These Chain Chomps are mentioned in the [[Chomp Shark#Trivia|Trivia section]] of the Chomp Shark article as being very similar (like Chomp Sharks, they are enormous and cannot be defeated). On the main Chain Chomp article, [[Chain Chomp#Yoshi's Story|their section]] lists them as being called "Chomp Chomps" by ''Nintendo 64 Game Secrets, 1999 Edition: Prima's Official Strategy Guide''. This name is similar to "Giant Chomp-Chomp", one of the alternate names used for Chomp Shark. Admittedly, the ''Yoshi's Story'' Nintendo Player's Guide refers to them as "three mammoth Chomps", without any explicit reference to the name "Big Chain Chomp", but considering that these Chain Chomps are both giant and chainless like Chomp Sharks, I still feel that they would fit best under the merged Big Chain Chomp article. --[[User:ThePowerPlayer|ThePowerPlayer]] ([[User talk:ThePowerPlayer|talk]]) 21:38, August 18, 2022 (EDT) | This may be irrelevant, but if we do end up merging Chomp Shark to the Big Chain Chomp article, I think that information on the Chain Chomps in [[Jungle Hut]] from ''[[Yoshi's Story]]'' should also be moved to Big Chain Chomp. These Chain Chomps are mentioned in the [[Chomp Shark#Trivia|Trivia section]] of the Chomp Shark article as being very similar (like Chomp Sharks, they are enormous and cannot be defeated). On the main Chain Chomp article, [[Chain Chomp#Yoshi's Story|their section]] lists them as being called "Chomp Chomps" by ''Nintendo 64 Game Secrets, 1999 Edition: Prima's Official Strategy Guide''. This name is similar to "Giant Chomp-Chomp", one of the alternate names used for Chomp Shark. Admittedly, the ''Yoshi's Story'' Nintendo Player's Guide refers to them as "three mammoth Chomps", without any explicit reference to the name "Big Chain Chomp", but considering that these Chain Chomps are both giant and chainless like Chomp Sharks, I still feel that they would fit best under the merged Big Chain Chomp article. --[[User:ThePowerPlayer|ThePowerPlayer]] ([[User talk:ThePowerPlayer|talk]]) 21:38, August 18, 2022 (EDT) | ||
