Editing Talk:Big Bully

==(First topic)==
What's the proof that Big Bully is a character, and not a species? Two Big Bullies can appear at one time in Lethal Lava Land. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

They can? I've only ever seen one at once... - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:Beat the three regular Bullies on the island. A Big Bully will fall down. However, the first Big Bully (the one fought for the first power star) will still be on his island. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Ohhhhhhh. I stand corrected... - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

That doesn't mean there's 2! that's just a glitch!

:The programmers could have easily removed one of the Bullies - it's not a glitch. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

yes they appear to be very much a species. {{User:Luigibros2/sig}}

== Focus ==

Considering the Japanese name is "Boss" Donketsu rather than "Kyodai/Deka" Donketsu and we have now split the [[Big Boo (character)|"Boss" Teresa]] from standard run-of-the-mill [[Big Boo]]s, I think it'd make the most sense to have this article be about "the Big Bully" rather than any large Bully. And yes, it appears in two places at once... while that Big Boo appears in ''three'', so that's not much of an issue. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:20, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
:So, just removing Mario Maker info, basically? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:58, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
::And the treating Prince Bully as a member of this. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:01, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
:::Eh. He's a boss, and he's a Bully. I mean, if being big is enough to treat the Yoshi's Island bosses as members of the respective "big X" species... [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:09, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
::::Generally speaking, the use of "boss" in Japanese is reserved for "individual" ones more, like Petey Piranha (who has also been shown in duplicate once or twice, yet is still treated as a singular being). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:17, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
:::::Hm, I guess that's fair. <small>[[Naval Piranha|Although]]...</small> [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 06:55, October 21, 2024 (EDT)
::::::My stance has pretty much always been to consider the ''Yoshi's Island'' bosses their own thing, because the magic doesn't just make them big, but they tend to gain features that distinguish them from their normal selves. I can take or leave Big Bully since their only major appearance as an actual regular enemy is in ''Super Mario Maker''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:32, October 21, 2024 (EDT)

== Decide the fate of this page ==

{{TPP}}
This proposal is based on the discussion above. We are going to decide the fate of this page through several options. Choose the one you like best. In my case, I'll choose multiple options because I don't have it clear.

In case anyone has any doubts, if the page is split, the mention of SM3DW will remain on both pages since both characters fulfill a similar role, being characters in charge of Bullys and being Big.

Remember that all your votes count equally, whether it is your first choice or your third.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Sorbetti}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Split '''Big Bully (character)''' and keep '''Big Bully (species)''' page (Support)====
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per.
#{{User|Rykitu}} This is the option I like best.

====Delete the SMM2 info and treat the page as character (Support)====
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per.
#{{User|LadySophie17}} As far as I know, the "Big" Bullies in ''Super Mario Maker 2'' are never explicitly named as such, and are just one of the dozens of enemies that can be made larger with the Super Mushroom. We don't have pages for Big Goombud, Big Skipsqueak or other "Big" enemies unique to this series, so this can simply be covered in the Bully page.
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per the above vote.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per Sophie
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Sophie.
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) The current setup is akin to treating [[Mega Bob-omb|Big Bob-omb]] as the same as ''this'' [[King Bob-omb|Big Bob-omb]] due to the "Boss" LoO name.
#{{User|Kirby the Formling}} Per all
#{{User|Blinker}} Per LadySophie17.

====Delete the SMM2 info but keep the page as species (Support)====


====Do nothing (Oppose)====
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} If the "''Kodeka''" Goombrat can remain, so can the "Boss" Bully.

====Bully Comments====
Too many options! Renaming this page was never a point of discussion above, and it goes against our naming conventions because Boss Bully is an entirely Japanese name. That part is sure to not pass due to that, so I recommend removing those as options to reduce a bit of the clutter in this proposal. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 20:18, April 21, 2025 (EDT)

@LadySophie17: The current standard is to not create pages for "Big" variants that only appear in Mario Maker, but to cover them if a page already exists for another reason. For instance, look at [[Mega Wiggler]] or [[Big Lava Bubble]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:53, April 22, 2025 (EDT)
:Yes, that is essentially what I said. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 06:08, April 22, 2025 (EDT)
::You said to cover it in the regular Bully page, whereas the big Lava Bubble information (for example) is covered on the ''Big'' Lava Bubble page. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 10:04, April 22, 2025 (EDT)
:::Because we ''do'' have a page for the enemy species called Big Lava Bubbles. Once this proposal passes, there will not be a page for big Bullies anymore, meaning Maker info should just go in regular Bully's page. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 12:20, April 22, 2025 (EDT)