Editing Talk:Bear (characters)

At what point was it confirmed that this character is in fact named "Bear"? I always thought that ''was'' Bazaar. [[User:Vent|Vent]] ([[User talk:Vent|talk]]) 18:59, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
:According to [[Brothers Bear]] article, ''"his name was simply Bear according to the credits."'' {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:41, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

Are you sure that's supposed to be his ''name''? He's probably just meant to be a generic stand in for all the Brothers Bear without having to make unique sprites. [[User:Vent|Vent]] ([[User talk:Vent|talk]]) 20:11, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
:No, I'm not sure because I never played the game. I still pretty much think that Bear is his name because he's the only bear in Donkey Kong Land III. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:13, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

Well I ''have'' played the game and I recently checked the credits. It definitely says "Bear" but he's pretty obviously supposed to be Bazaar. In both the manual and the Nintendo Power coverage of DKL3, he's only ever referred to as "the Brothers Bear" as though he's meant to represent all the bears without ever actually having to use their sprites or their names. [[User:Vent|Vent]] ([[User talk:Vent|talk]]) 01:27, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

I tried to rewrite the page a bit to reflect the above, but since "Bear" has a definite (if stupid and generic) name and provides services different from any of the actual Brother Bears, he's still a different "entity" and thus (arguably) worthy of a separate page. Of course, someone can make a TPP to merge the page to [[Bazaar]], [[Brothers Bear]] or w/e. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 13:34, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

== Merge with [[Brothers Bear]] ==
I have quite a few reasons why I believe this page should be merged into the Brothers Bear page. First off, most sources of this game call these guys "the Brothers Bear", with the only place that gives them a different name is the credits, which I wouldn't consider the best source due to a few errors (For example, [[Knocka]]s are erroneously referred to as [[Krusha]]s in the credits). It is also worth noting that it is unlikely these guys are supposed to be different from the Brothers Bears. I think the only reason they're identical is due to technical difficulties of the Game Boy. Also, the Brothers Bears and the Bears have similar jobs between the games, with both having their own cabins, so don't you think this is enough for a merge? {{User:Starluxe/sig}} 15:41, November 27, 2024 (EDT)
: I'm pretty sure that most sources calling Bear "the Brothers Bear" is an error as well, not to mention this guy seems to be a stand-in for Bazaar. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 07:34, November 30, 2024 (EST)
::Seeing how the credits also shortens other characters names (e.g. Baron K. Roolenstein to K.Rool and Wrinkly Kong to Wrinkly), I wouldn't be surprised if "Bear" is just a shortening of the name "Brothers Bear" and nothing beside that. {{User:Starluxe/sig}} 17:26, December 6, 2024 (EDT)

== Merge to [[Brothers Bear]] ==

{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-2|merge}}

There's is a couple of reasons why I believe this page should be merged into [[Brothers Bear]]. First off, are these guys really intended to be any different from the actual Brothers Bear? They all look identical to [[Bazaar]], which, to me, seems more like hardware limitations than a group characters who are supposed to be different from the Brothers Bear. It's also worth mentioned that the Bears are just straight up called "the Brothers Bear" on various occasions. They use the latter name in the English manual, issues 102 and 103 of ''Nintendo Power'', and the Italian-Spanish manual names them the "Bear Brothers" in Italian. The only time they are actually called "Bear" is during the credits of ''Donkey Kong Land III''. To me, though, it seems more like a shorthand version of the Brothers Bear's name, than something intended to be separate. My reasoning behind this is that the credits also used shorthand names of other characters, [[Wrinkly Kong]] is named Wrinkly, [[Baron K. Roolenstein]] is named K. Rool, etc.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Kaptain Skurvy}}<br>'''Deadline''': April 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per proposal
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Arend}} Not a good sign when the article states in its second sentence that the bears are also collectively known as "the Brothers Bear" and then references ''three different sources'', including '''the game manual'''. Add to the fact that DKL3 is essentially a Game Boy demake of DKC3 with limitations, and that the "bears" all look conspicuously like Bazaar as if he was chosen to represent all the bears since has the most general "Brothers Bear" appearance, in order to save space. Why was this split in the first place?
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per Arend.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Bear all.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} If even the game manual calls them "Brothers Bear"…
#{{User|DesaMatt}} Bear all.

<s>{{user|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposer and Arend.</s>

===Oppose===
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: I still think that they were introduced to be a replacement for Bazaar.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per PrincessPeachFan.

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