Editing Talk:Baseball Boy

I think I remember another Baseball Boy, it looks like an umpire only covered with spikes, I think it was red and blue in color. Although I may just be remembering something else. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]
:Those are [[Grunt]]s. [[User:3dejong|3D]]

Yeah, I guess it could be them I was thinking of. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

They sure look like a B. Boy. They could be an umpire, if you look at it that way... [[User:3dejong|3D]]

==Necessity?==
The article includes no more than two enemy types from ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]'', both of which already have their own article. Most of this article also seems to be pure speculation which is not supported in any way in the games (Grunts as umpires?), and even the title itself only appears in the level name "The Baseball Boys" as far as I'm aware, and it is afaik not stated anywhere that this is even intended to be an official collective term for those two enemies. I don't really think this article is necessary, since it doesn't include any valuable information that can't just as easily be covered in the [[Green Glove]] and [[Slugger]] articles.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 14:02, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:I would actually support merging those two here. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:00, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::Thing is that Green Glove and Slugger both have officially confirmable names, while this article doesn't. The term "Baseball Boy" is, as far as I'm aware, conjectural, based on the English translation of a level title (the original Japanese title does not even refer to them by any collective term, simply listing them as "Mitto-san" (Green Glove) and "Batto-kun" (Slugger)). I see no reason to merge those two into a single article; they have different names, different appearances, different behaviours and don't even necessarily have to appear together.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 15:12, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:::The two typically work in conjunction, and the level title does suggest a group title. I will continue to support a group article merge, if others do so as well, but I really don't like group articles with less than three additions. So, I support deleting this page unless anyone favors a merge. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:28, 21 December 2009 (EST)

== Is this page really necessary? ==
It's just a hub page for two enemies from ''Yoshi's Island'' on the basis of a level name. Pretty weak justification for a page, in my opinion. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 04:18, 5 October 2015 (EDT)
:I brought it up [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1630300#msg1630300 on the forums] a while ago. The page is kind of a glorified disambiguation page, but it's based on an official term. I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but if it was deleted, I wouldn't complain. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

==Do something about this article==
{{TPP}}

Let me start of by saying that from a structural standpoint, this article is very strange. It's a weird half-n-half of actual article and disambiguation page, in the sense that it talks about 2 separate enemies as if they were one, yet lists their different articles with the main info in them. It's also weird in term of naming, listing the 2 distinct enemies as a group based on the level they appear in(which wasn't the case in the original Japanese version, the title for the level there is something along the lines of "Green Glove and Batter"). Given that it repeats a lot of info from 2 separate articles about the aforementioned enemies and is in a weird "maybe it's conjectural" state, what should this page be exactly?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Somethingone}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 22, 2021, 23:59 GMT

===Delete The Article===
#{{User|Somethingone}} Given the state it's in, and how a lot of it is repeated info from the 2 other articles about the enemies, I think this is the best choice.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per proposal. This is like making a page called "Giants" because of a level named [[Jungle of the Giants]].
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Is the name "The Baseball Boys" specifically referring to a pair of one Green Glove and one Slugger (as this page suggests)? Or just "all the Green Gloves and Sluggers in this level are collectively known the Baseball Boys"? If its the latter, I'd argue this info doesn't even need to appear in their respective articles (aside from which levels they appear in). Either way, this page is unnecessary.
#{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal.

===Turn It Into A Normal Disambiguation Page===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I mentioned this late in a [[Talk:Bubble Dayzee#Comments 2|previous proposal]], but "Baseball Boy" in indeed used for both enemies in the GBA version of the Player's Guide.

===Turn It Into An Actual Article===

===Leave It As Is===

===Comments===
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-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|0-19-0-0|Turn into disambiguation page}}
 Let me start of by saying that from a structural standpoint, this article is very strange. It's a weird half-n-half of actual article and disambiguation page, in the sense that it talks about 2 separate enemies as if they were one, yet lists their different articles with the main info in them. It's also weird in term of naming, listing the 2 distinct enemies as a group based on the level they appear in(which wasn't the case in the original Japanese version, the title for the level there is something along the lines of "Green Glove and Batter"). Given that it repeats a lot of info from 2 separate articles about the aforementioned enemies and is in a weird "maybe it's conjectural" state, what should this page be exactly?
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 ===Delete The Article===
+#{{User|Somethingone}} Given the state it's in, and how a lot of it is repeated info from the 2 other articles about the enemies, I think this is the best choice.
+#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per proposal. This is like making a page called "Giants" because of a level named [[Jungle of the Giants]].
+#{{User|LadySophie17}} Is the name "The Baseball Boys" specifically referring to a pair of one Green Glove and one Slugger (as this page suggests)? Or just "all the Green Gloves and Sluggers in this level are collectively known the Baseball Boys"? If its the latter, I'd argue this info doesn't even need to appear in their respective articles (aside from which levels they appear in). Either way, this page is unnecessary.
+#{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal.
 ===Turn It Into A Normal Disambiguation Page===
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I mentioned this late in a [[Talk:Bubble Dayzee#Comments 2|previous proposal]], but "Baseball Boy" is indeed used for both enemies in the GBA version of the Player's Guide.
+#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I mentioned this late in a [[Talk:Bubble Dayzee#Comments 2|previous proposal]], but "Baseball Boy" in indeed used for both enemies in the GBA version of the Player's Guide.
-#{{User|Blinker}} Per LinkTheLefty.
-#{{User|Somethingone}} New first choice, per LTL.
-#{{User|Hewer}} I don't think this really needs a full page, but on the off chance someone searches for this term, a disambiguation would be helpful.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
-#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per all.
-#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
-#{{User|WildWario}} Per all.
-#{{user|Shokora}} &ndash; Per all.
-#{{User|OhoJeeOnFire}} This is the only logical answer.
-#{{User|Swallow}} Per all
-#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per all
-#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Yeah, this is probably for the better.
-#{{User|ShootingStar7X}} Per the results of [[Talk:Tileoid#What to do with this article|this proposal]], and per all.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
-#{{User|Kirbeat}} Per all; this works better as a disambiguation page than the current structure or than an actual article, and also it is better to have this as a disambiguation instead of not having this page at all.
-#{{User|RHG1951}} Per all.
-#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all, there's no reason to keep the padding on this glorified disambiguation page.
-#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
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-== Post-Proposal ==
-Hello, I'm aware I'm the one that made the above proposal. When I made it, I was under the assumption that "Baseball Boy" was just a name the two enemies were referred to as ''separately'', like how [[Spiked Fun Guy (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)|this]] and [[Needlenose|this]] are both referred to as "sanbo".
-However, as I'm looking over the player's guide again, [https://archive.org/details/Nintendo_Players_Guide_SNES_Super_Mario_World_2_Yoshis_Island_1995/page/n23/mode/2up it turns out] that the term "Baseball Boy" is a name the two are referred to ''collectively'' as, like how [[Topman]] refers to many different species of table-top-toy-like enemies. "Green Glove" and "Slugger" are only used on the scanned "enemy index" section of the guide. Considering how this collective term remained in the SMA3 guide, with the solo instances of "Green Glove" and "Slugger" being replaced by "Green Glove Baseball Boy" and "Slugger Baseball Boy", I think that "Baseball Boy" might actually be a species after all, like how we have [[Dudim Phreykunoutonthis]] as the species of [[Fuzzy (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)|Fuzzy]].
-So, should we remake this page? It would be consistent with the other two "collective enemy species" articles I mentioned before. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 21:59, June 2, 2022 (EDT)