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'''Deadline:''' <s>12 February 20:00</s> '''Extended:'''20 February 20:00 2010. | '''Deadline:''' <s>12 February 20:00</s> '''Extended:'''20 February 20:00 2010. | ||
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Merge Both articles</div> | |||
#{{User|Red Shell 68066vr}} Per proposal. | #{{User|Red Shell 68066vr}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Yes it won't be a bad idea to merge them since the Banana article talks about them to. Zero signing out. | #{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Yes it won't be a bad idea to merge them since the Banana article talks about them to. Zero signing out. | ||
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#{{User|Reversinator}} Per all. | #{{User|Reversinator}} Per all. | ||
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Merge only Triple Bananas</div> | |||
#{{user|Coincollector}} - But with a condition in my comment below. | #{{user|Coincollector}} - But with a condition in my comment below. | ||
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Merge only Giant Banana</div> | |||
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Leave unmerged</div> | |||
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Comments</div> | |||
OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[ | OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[Giant Green Shell]], [[Giant Bob-omb]], etc). {{User:Coincollector/sig}} | ||
:That's what I said at the [[Talk:Big Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}} | :That's what I said at the [[Talk:Big Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}} | ||
::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}} | ::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
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{{Settled TPP}} | {{Settled TPP}} | ||
{{Proposal outcome|passed|15-0|split}} | {{Proposal outcome|passed|15-0|split}} | ||
It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with [[ | It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with [[Giant Blue Shell|every]] [[Giant Cannonball|single]] [[Giant Coin|other]] [[Giant Question Block|item]] [[Giant Ninji|or]] [[Mega Guy|enemy]] [[Giant Yoshi Egg|that]] [[Giant Green Shell|is]] [[Giant Bob-omb|currently]] [[Giant Red Shell|has]] [[Big Fuzzy|an]] [[Big Goomba|article]] [[Mega Goomba (species)|on]] [[Mega Goomba (boss)|the]] [[Mega Unagi|Mario]] [[Mega Chomp|Wiki]]. Honestly, I think the barrage of links speaks for itself; there is an overwhelming precedence for giving articles to entities that vary from their counterparts in size, so I don't see why the Giant Banana should be left out. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br> | ||
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== Split Banana Peel from Banana - take 3 == | == Split Banana Peel from Banana - take 3 == | ||
{{ | {{TPP}} | ||
This has been proposed (and failed) at least twice before, with the last attempt being 8 years ago (ie, before I started actually editing here). The main reason it failed was alleged mingling of the subject, which amounts to "sometimes banana peel items are just called bananas and two ''Mario Kart'' games from the turn of the millennium (MK64 and MKSC) used a banana as an icon for the banana peel." Personally, I find this to be rather weak reasoning to keep them merged, when for all intents and purposes they are different things with different appearances and different functions. The ''Mario Kart'' icon quirk could easily just be mentioned on the banana page while otherwise the information would be covered on the Banana Peel page. We have since changed how many other MK items are organized (splitting the triples, splitting Dash Mushroom from Mushroom, splitting Golden Dash Mushroom from Golden Mushroom, making a generalized Koopa Shell article in addition to the colored ones), and I believe it's time to do the same here. | |||
This has been proposed (and failed) at least twice before, with the last attempt being 8 years ago (ie, before I started actually editing here). The main reason it failed was alleged mingling of the subject, which amounts to "sometimes banana peel items are just called bananas and two ''Mario Kart'' games from the turn of the millennium (MK64 and MKSC) used a banana as an icon for the banana peel." Personally, I find this to be rather weak reasoning to keep them merged, when for all intents and purposes they are different things with different appearances and different functions. The ''Mario Kart'' icon quirk could easily just be mentioned on the banana page while otherwise the information would be covered on the Banana Peel page. We have since changed how many other MK items are organized (splitting the triples, splitting Dash Mushroom from Mushroom, splitting Golden Dash Mushroom from Golden Mushroom, making a generalized Koopa Shell article in addition to the colored ones), and I believe it's time to do the same here | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br> | ||
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#{{User|EvieMaybe}} they're a distinct object with a distinct function and a distinct appearance. per | #{{User|EvieMaybe}} they're a distinct object with a distinct function and a distinct appearance. per | ||
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Bananas and Banana Peels have entirely different purposes. The opening sentence of the article makes it very clear that it's better to have this banana split. | #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Bananas and Banana Peels have entirely different purposes. The opening sentence of the article makes it very clear that it's better to have this banana split. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} I had a look at the comment in the previous proposal, and it says that Banana and Banana Peels are often treated interchangeably. The main article should make it more clear when they are not the same thing. A Banana Peel is the skin of the banana. A Koopa Shell is an object warn by a Koopa, rather than being part of the same thing. | #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} I had a look at the comment in the previous proposal, and it says that Banana and Banana Peels are often treated interchangeably. The main article should make it more clear when they are not the same thing. A Banana Peel is the skin of the banana. A Koopa Shell is an object warn by a Koopa, rather than being part of the same thing. | ||
#{{User|Mario}} This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. The reasoning for the previous proposals still stands; this is a split on pedantry: "If there were only two distinct uses for bananas, you could try to justify a split, but that's not the case at all. As well as being obstacles in Mario Kart, they're used as similarly slip-causing items in SSB (attributed to the MK games as their origin) and Strikers (and Mario Sports Mix, but as a level hazard, since the bananas as usuable items have different effects); in the DK series, they've been used as coins, health and required collectibles to get to bosses (like Stars and Shines in the Mario 3D platformers); and there's appearances in numerous other series and games with a variety of different attributes. There's no point to separate out any one chunk of the appearances when there are so many equally distinct roles. Best to keep them all in one place." If people want to search banana, they'll find the information in this page regardless if it's banana from DKC or banana from Mario Kart or banana from Smash Bros or banana from Mario vs. Donkey Kong | #{{User|Mario}} This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. The reasoning for the previous proposals still stands; this is a split on pedantry: "If there were only two distinct uses for bananas, you could try to justify a split, but that's not the case at all. As well as being obstacles in Mario Kart, they're used as similarly slip-causing items in SSB (attributed to the MK games as their origin) and Strikers (and Mario Sports Mix, but as a level hazard, since the bananas as usuable items have different effects); in the DK series, they've been used as coins, health and required collectibles to get to bosses (like Stars and Shines in the Mario 3D platformers); and there's appearances in numerous other series and games with a variety of different attributes. There's no point to separate out any one chunk of the appearances when there are so many equally distinct roles. Best to keep them all in one place." If people want to search banana, they'll find the information in this page regardless if it's banana from DKC or banana from Mario Kart or banana from Smash Bros or banana from Mario vs. Donkey Kong. | ||
#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per the prior proposals that kept them merged. | #{{User|Ray Trace}} Per the prior proposals that kept them merged. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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{{@|Mario}} - Bananas are a fruit. Banana ''peels'' aren't a fruit, they're a skin. They're not just different uses of the same item, they're different items entirely. Also, much of those examples are split now anyway, like [[Golden Banana]]s and [[Giant Banana]]s. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:35, September 4, 2024 (EDT) | {{@|Mario}} - Bananas are a fruit. Banana ''peels'' aren't a fruit, they're a skin. They're not just different uses of the same item, they're different items entirely. Also, much of those examples are split now anyway, like [[Golden Banana]]s and [[Giant Banana]]s. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:35, September 4, 2024 (EDT) | ||