Editing Talk:Banana

==Merge Triple Bananas and Giant Banana into the general Banana article==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">MERGE ARTICLES 4-1-0-0</span>

I read the articles and [[Triple Bananas]] are the same as a single [[Banana]], and The Banana article already explains about [[Giant Banana]]s (in the Mario Kart Double Dash section, so I propose we combine them into one article.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' <s>12 February 20:00</s> '''Extended:'''20 February 20:00 2010.

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Merge Both articles</div>
#{{User|Red Shell 68066vr}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Yes it won't be a bad idea to merge them since the Banana article talks about them to. Zero signing out.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Seeing as other similar items (i.e. [[Triple Green Shells]] into plain [[Green Shell]]) have been merged to cut back on repetition, save space and streamline navigation, merging the Bananas sounds like the next logical step.
#{{User|Reversinator}} Per all.

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Merge only Triple Bananas</div>
#{{user|Coincollector}} - But with a condition in my comment below.

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Merge only Giant Banana</div>

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Leave unmerged</div>

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Comments</div>
OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[Giant Green Shell]], [[Giant Bob-omb]], etc). {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
:That's what I said at the [[Talk:Giant Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}}
:::There is a talk page proposal. It's here: [[Talk:Banana Bunch]]. {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}}

== Mario Kart Bananas ==

I've discovered that, in Mario kart Wii and DS, triple bananas are a good defensive item, seeing as you can survive three shells and still be going at a constant speed {{User|J-Yoshi64}}

==Split Banana and Banana Bunch==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T SPLIT 4-8</span>

Bananas are single items, different from 5 or 10 bananas in one. They are found in different areas, and they are worth more than one. I honestly think this should have it's own page. I also know that Banana Bunch is not a section on this page, but it redirects to here.

'''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Split===
#{{User|DKPetey99}} I want to split Banana from Banana Bunch.
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} they are different items who appear quite a bit in different games, on a side not we should split giant Banana with Bananas
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} They are kind of like [[Blue Coin]]s from Super Mario 64.No reason for them to be merged.
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per proposal

===Keep===
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Banana Bunches are merely bananas that happen to be grouped together. That is not a significant enough reason to support their separation from the Banana article.
#{{User|Zero777}} Per
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Mario4Ever. The triple banana and Giant Banana had less in common with normal bananas, but they were still merged. Keeping them all together cuts back on redundant, repetitive articles.
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per MalleoFooreEvahr.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per Mario4Ever.
#{{User|Supremo78}} Per M4E. There is no reason for a pretty much stub article (a bad thing) to be added, for just really what they are is about 5-10 bananas together. Same things really.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} PA! (That's short for per all)
#{{User|Xzelion}} &ndash; Per all.
===Comments===
Oh, don't forget! Two weeks is the proposal time!![[User:Reddragon19k|Reddragon19k]] 16:37, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

==[[Banana]] and [[Banana Peel]]==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">KEEP MERGED 0-7</span>

Why are these merged? Bananas and Banana Peels are two completely different things.Bananas from the ''Donkey Kong'' series are like coins,are not opened,and don't have a face.Banana Peels from the ''Mario Kart'' series are completely different.They serve as obstacles and they look different too.They arent even bananas,theyre just the peels.These were never intended to be the same thing.As LGM said,''Bananas'' are used for various reasons,while ''Banana Peels'' are always used to slip people.

'''Proposer''': {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 27, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Split===

===Keep Merged===
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Party, Mario comics, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, and Mario Sports Mix have banana peels. Donkey Kong games, Mario Party, Yoshi Story, WarioWario, and Super Mario Sunshine have bananas not used to slip people. It's too complicated. Bananas are used as a way to get coins in DK minigames, but they can be also used as obstacles in the same games ([[Mass A-Peel]] is a great example). You are using a general solution to fix something complicated. Mario Kart 64's item's picture is a full banana anyway.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per LGM.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per all! Stay merged!
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per LaeftehGraenMalleo.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per all.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per LeftyGreenMario. Banana peels are just, well, peeled bananas; it makes the most sense to write about all their appearances in one place, rather than forcing people to toggle back and forth to get all their banana-related info.
#{{User|Xzelion}} &ndash; Per all.
===Comments===
This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:32, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

==Split Giant Banana and Banana==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T SPLIT 11-10</span> (See [[MarioWiki:Proposals|Proposal Rule 10]])

Giant Bananas have official names appear in multiple games and on top of that split off into multiple bananas when hit i don't see any reason why they are merged with regular bananas and i think they should be split much like how Giant Bob-omb is split from Bob-omb they are different items with similar effects but they are not the same.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>July 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> <s>July 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> <s>July 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> July 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Split===
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} who votes against there own proposal.
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per the size 15 Goomba shoes.
#{{User|Nicke8}} Per Gs15.
#{{User|Arend}} Per the fact we have [[Grand Goomba|articles]] [[Gargantua Koopa Troopa|about]] [[Super Thwomp|giant]] [[Mega Wiggler|enemies]].
#{{User|Iamthedude}} Per Arend. If we're gonna have articles about those giant enemies, which behave the same except they're bigger, why not have a seperate article about a giant item that DOESN'T work the same as it's smaller counterpart.
#{{User|MarioMaster720}} Per Arend.
#{{User|Shadow34}} Per Arend.
#{{User|Bowser jrs number 1 fan}} Per all besides there different items
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Per all.
#{{User|IGGY7735}} Per all.
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} I didn't want a tie and besides, they are stronger. Per Arend.

===Keep Merged===
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} A giant banana is still a banana. My reasoning is the same for this as it is for the Banana/Banana Bunch proposal.
#{{User|Dr Javelin}} There simply isn't enough info to make a whole article on Giant Bananas.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Since Banana Bunch and Triple Bananas are merged, this should stay merged.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Sorry, I like it merged! Per all 3!
#{{User|Xzelion}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all; per the TPP that originally merged the pages.
#{{User|Mariomaster228}} - Per all. A seperate Giant Banana article would just be another stub.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all, and the original TPP.
#{{User|Supremo78}} - Like M4E said, they're still bananas, and should stay in the article.
#{{user|SWFlash}} Per Mario4Ever.

===Comments===
'''@Mario4Ever''' yes a giant banana but is [[Climbing Koopa]] not a [[Koopa Troopa]] the answer is yes but they aint merged {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
:The reason Climbing Koopa is split because they have completely different attack patterns. The only difference Giant Bananas have is that they are bigger, block most hits, and split into three when run upon. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
Side note i am in no position to make this article if this TPP passes for i own exactly zero games that the giant banana is in {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
::Then you should not have proposed it. Rule 11: ''The <u>original proposer</u>'' (underlined here for emphasis) ''must '''take action''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.'' {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
:In the interest of preventing his ignorance of the rules from leading to this proposal's failure, I will volunteer to write the article for him, if such is necessary to carry out the proposal. I have had [[Mario Kart: Double Dash!!|the game giant banana appears in]] for about 6 years now, so I should think I have sufficient knowledge to write the article. {{User:Iamthedude/sig}}

My apologies, GS15. I forgot the margin of victory rule, and proceeded to write an article immediately when I saw that nobody else had voted, leaving the score 7-6 in favor of split, causing me to believe it was passed. {{User:Iamthedude/sig}}

Also, is there a rule for this situation? there has not been a vote in 12 days. the consensus is SLIGHTLY in favor of split. However, if we wait for one side to get 3 votes ahead, we need at least 2 votes, and that becomes at least 4 if one of them is an "oppose" vote. that could take a while.. we needed 2 weeks just to get the first 13 votes, and you can expect the next few to take a lot longer, especially after the 12-day pause in voting (because you can assume nobody who has an opinion has seen it in the last 12 days except the 13 of us.) {{unsigned|Iamthedude}}
:No, but the deadline can only be extended one more time. If there's still no clear majority, the proposal fails by default. It's always possible that more users will vote before it comes to that, however. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 16:25, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

I just noticed Dr. Javelin and Mario Master voted to oppose because they believed it would create a stub. if you'll look on the Giant Banana Redirect page, in the history, you'll see I accidentally wrote an article for it early, because I forgot about the clear majority rule. as you can see for yourself, 3 1/2 inches of writing can be made on this subject, and that's on my computer, which has a wider screen than most, making the article seem shorter than it actually is.. I dont know where the cut-off for stubs is, but this is a good bit longer than most of the stuff I've seen labeled as stubs. {{user:Iamthedude/sig}}
:...I still don't understand why people don't get the meaning of "stub" -_- {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}

::'''To whom it may concern''': A stub is an article that, regardless of length, either lacks information or concerns a subject about which little information can be provided. This latter case generally applies in situations in which it is difficult to provide information to sufficiently differentiate two subjects, that is, their similarity makes it difficult to prevent an article from being a rehash of another in terms of content (such as this situation). {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
:@BabyLuigiOnFire well, excuse me for thinking we were using the common meaning of the word stub, which is synonymous with unusually short. I just noticed that all the stub articles I had seen were very short and assumed that was the case 

:@Mario4Ever: and as you can see on this page: [[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Giant_Banana&diff=prev&oldid=1088877]] there is enough information that you cannot just say that it is the same as a regular banana. Here are some examples of differences: Only 4 characters can access it, it has a different facial expression, can be used to completely block narrow paths, splits into 3 smaller bananas when destroyed, has more slow-down effect than normal banana, blocks green and red shells without breaking. as you can see, there are '''at least 6''' Differences between banana and Giant banana. if that isnt enough to say that it wouldn't just be a rehash, I really dont know what you're looking for.{{User:Iamthedude/sig}}
::In all honesty, the only significant piece of information I found was this: ''The giant banana also appears one other time as a piece of furniture in the game ''"Animal Crossing: City Folk."'' '' The part about blocking narrow paths is irrelevant (as is its expression and characters able to use it (Double Dash!! was merged to Rocket Start even though it can only be used in multiplayer)), and except for its splitting into three, its function is more or less identical to that of the standard item. It's not different enough from Bananas to warrant a split, especially since that it still ''is'' a banana despite its few differences. '''@Arend''': What those articles have is common is that the enemies about which they are written appear in multiple games. The Giant Banana only appears in ''Double Dash!!''. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
:'''@Mario4Ever''' thats not true giant bananas also appear in both Mario Football games {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
::In terms of this proposal, Giant Banana refers to the item from ''Double Dash!!''. In those two other games, it is identical to the standard item except in size. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}

==Z-Bananas==
Shouldn't we put Z-Bananas in a seperate article, since we have seperate articles for [[Mini Star]]s and [[Mini Ztar]]s?
--[[User:Dry Bowser rules!|Dry Bowser rules!]] 19:29, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

== Capitalization of "banana" ==

I don't believe it should be capitalized except when talking about games in which it's capitalized in. I highly doubt that it's capitalized in the WarioWare games. May I get some input on this? {{User:Misty/sig}} 14:28, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

== Split Giant Banana From Banana ==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 15-0</span>

It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with [[Giant Blue Shell|every]] [[Giant Cannonball|single]] [[Giant Coin|other]] [[Giant Question Block|item]] [[Giant Ninji|or]] [[Mega Guy|enemy]] [[Giant Yoshi Egg|that]] [[Giant Green Shell|is]] [[Giant Bob-omb|currently]] [[Giant Red Shell|has]] [[Big Fuzzy|an]] [[Big Goomba|article]] [[Mega Goomba (species)|on]] [[Mega Goomba (boss)|the]] [[Mega Unagi|Mario]] [[Mega Chomp|Wiki]]. Honestly, I think the barrage of links speaks for itself; there is an overwhelming precedence for giving articles to entities that vary from their counterparts in size, so I don't see why the Giant Banana should be left out.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 29, 2015, 23:59 GMT

===Split===
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} I was about to disagree (especially with the Giant ? Block article, I don't even know if that one's necessary) but then I realized that every Mario Strikers giant item has its own page except the banana. Also, Giant Bananas are distinct special items with their own purpose in Mario Kart: Double Dash, exclusive to DK & Diddy and have their unique properties, I feel it does the wiki a better favor when it's split from a regular banana in the Mario Kart franchise.
#{{User|Metalex123}} Per all
#{{User|Pyro Guy}} Per all, including the support section in the proposal above.
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per all (including my previous proposal).
#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per all.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} "A giant banana is still a banana". Um, that's the main argument used for keeping the merge of Giant Banana, and it's, frankly, very silly. Nobody's saying that splitting Giant Banana will suddenly confuse readers into thinking that the item is an apple.
#{{User|Andymii}} Huh?! This ''isn't'' split already? Wow. Anyway, if Giant Bannas ''are'' the same as bananas, then how does [[Big Goomba]] get a page? This, and what Baby Luigi has said about it being the only item in Strikers without a Wiki page, make the omission of a Giant Bannana page really inconsistent.
#{{User|Boo4761}} Per everyone
#{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Per all.
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|Binarystep}} Per all.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal.
#{{User|ZonkMario64}} Per all
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.

===Don't split===

===Comments===

==Split Banana and Banana Peel==
{{TPP}}
There's a pretty significant difference between a coin equivalent and an item used to trip people. The only reason to keep these merged is that they're both bananas, which isn't really a compelling argument (unless you think all those Paper Mario mushrooms should be merged).
	
'''Proposer''': {{User|Niiue}}<br>	
'''Deadline''': January 19, 2016, 23:59 GMT
	
===Support===	
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===