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| ==Merge Triple Bananas and Giant Banana into the general Banana article== | | ==Merge Triple Bananas and Giant Banana into the general Banana article== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|4-1-0-0|merge articles}}
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| I read the articles and [[Triple Bananas]] are the same as a single [[Banana]], and The Banana article already explains about [[Giant Banana]]s (in the Mario Kart Double Dash section, so I propose we combine them into one article. | | I read the articles and [[Triple Bananas]] are the same as a single [[Banana]], and The Banana article already explains about [[Giant Banana]]s (in the Mario Kart Double Dash section, so I propose we combine them into one article. |
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| '''Proposer:''' {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}}<br> | | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}}<br> |
| '''Deadline:''' <s>12 February 20:00</s> '''Extended:'''20 February 20:00 2010. | | '''Deadline:''' <s>12 February 20:00</s> '''Extended:'''20 February 20:00 |
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| OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[Giant Green Shell]], [[Giant Bob-omb]], etc). {{User:Coincollector/sig}} | | OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the [[Banana Bunch]] article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: [[Giant Green Shell]], [[Giant Bob-omb]], etc). {{User:Coincollector/sig}} |
| :That's what I said at the [[Talk:Big Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}} | | :That's what I said at the [[Talk:Giant Ninji|Giant Ninji]] proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}} |
| ::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}} | | ::But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --{{User|Garlic Man}} |
| :::There is a talk page proposal. It's here: [[Talk:Banana Bunch]]. {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}} | | :::There is a talk page proposal. It's here: [[Talk:Banana Bunch]]. {{User|Red Shell 68066vr}} |
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| ==Split Banana and Banana Bunch== | | ==Split Banana and Banana Bunch== |
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|4-8|don't split}}
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| Bananas are single items, different from 5 or 10 bananas in one. They are found in different areas, and they are worth more than one. I honestly think this should have it's own page. I also know that Banana Bunch is not a section on this page, but it redirects to here. | | Bananas are single items, different from 5 or 10 bananas in one. They are found in different areas, and they are worth more than one. I honestly think this should have it's own page. I also know that Banana Bunch is not a section on this page, but it redirects to here. |
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br> | | '''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br> |
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| Oh, don't forget! Two weeks is the proposal time!![[User:Reddragon19k|Reddragon19k]] 16:37, 12 June 2011 (EDT) | | Oh, don't forget! Two weeks is the proposal time!![[User:Reddragon19k|Reddragon19k]] 16:37, 12 June 2011 (EDT) |
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| ==[[Banana]] and [[Banana Peel]]== | | ==[[Banana]] and [[Banana Peel]]== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|failed|0-7|keep merged}}
| | <span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">KEEP MERGED 0-7</span> |
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| Why are these merged? Bananas and Banana Peels are two completely different things.Bananas from the ''Donkey Kong'' series are like coins,are not opened,and don't have a face.Banana Peels from the ''Mario Kart'' series are completely different.They serve as obstacles and they look different too.They arent even bananas,theyre just the peels.These were never intended to be the same thing.As LGM said,''Bananas'' are used for various reasons,while ''Banana Peels'' are always used to slip people. | | Why are these merged? Bananas and Banana Peels are two completely different things.Bananas from the ''Donkey Kong'' series are like coins,are not opened,and don't have a face.Banana Peels from the ''Mario Kart'' series are completely different.They serve as obstacles and they look different too.They arent even bananas,theyre just the peels.These were never intended to be the same thing.As LGM said,''Bananas'' are used for various reasons,while ''Banana Peels'' are always used to slip people. |
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}<br> | | '''Proposer''': {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}<br> |
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| This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:32, 13 June 2011 (EDT) | | This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:32, 13 June 2011 (EDT) |
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| ==Split Giant Banana and Banana== | | ==Split Giant Banana and Banana== |
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| Giant Bananas have official names appear in multiple games and on top of that split off into multiple bananas when hit i don't see any reason why they are merged with regular bananas and i think they should be split much like how Giant Bob-omb is split from Bob-omb they are different items with similar effects but they are not the same. | | Giant Bananas have official names appear in multiple games and on top of that split off into multiple bananas when hit i don't see any reason why they are merged with regular bananas and i think they should be split much like how Giant Bob-omb is split from Bob-omb they are different items with similar effects but they are not the same. |
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}<br> | | '''Proposer''': {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}<br> |
| '''Deadline''': <s>July 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> <s>July 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> <s>July 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> July 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT | | '''Deadline''': <s>July 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> <s>July 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> July 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT |
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| #{{User|Shadow34}} Per Arend. | | #{{User|Shadow34}} Per Arend. |
| #{{User|Bowser jrs number 1 fan}} Per all besides there different items | | #{{User|Bowser jrs number 1 fan}} Per all besides there different items |
| #{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Per all.
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| #{{User|YoshiGo99}} I didn't want a tie and besides, they are stronger. Per Arend.
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| #{{User|Mario4Ever}} A giant banana is still a banana. My reasoning is the same for this as it is for the Banana/Banana Bunch proposal. | | #{{User|Mario4Ever}} A giant banana is still a banana. My reasoning is the same for this as it is for the Banana/Banana Bunch proposal. |
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| #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all; per the TPP that originally merged the pages. | | #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all; per the TPP that originally merged the pages. |
| #{{User|Mariomaster228}} - Per all. A seperate Giant Banana article would just be another stub. | | #{{User|Mariomaster228}} - Per all. A seperate Giant Banana article would just be another stub. |
| #{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all, and the original TPP.
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| #{{User|Supremo78}} - Like M4E said, they're still bananas, and should stay in the article.
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| I just noticed Dr. Javelin and Mario Master voted to oppose because they believed it would create a stub. if you'll look on the Giant Banana Redirect page, in the history, you'll see I accidentally wrote an article for it early, because I forgot about the clear majority rule. as you can see for yourself, 3 1/2 inches of writing can be made on this subject, and that's on my computer, which has a wider screen than most, making the article seem shorter than it actually is.. I dont know where the cut-off for stubs is, but this is a good bit longer than most of the stuff I've seen labeled as stubs. {{user:Iamthedude/sig}} | | I just noticed Dr. Javelin and Mario Master voted to oppose because they believed it would create a stub. if you'll look on the Giant Banana Redirect page, in the history, you'll see I accidentally wrote an article for it early, because I forgot about the clear majority rule. as you can see for yourself, 3 1/2 inches of writing can be made on this subject, and that's on my computer, which has a wider screen than most, making the article seem shorter than it actually is.. I dont know where the cut-off for stubs is, but this is a good bit longer than most of the stuff I've seen labeled as stubs. {{user:Iamthedude/sig}} |
| :...I still don't understand why people don't get the meaning of "stub" -_- {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
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| ::'''To whom it may concern''': A stub is an article that, regardless of length, either lacks information or concerns a subject about which little information can be provided. This latter case generally applies in situations in which it is difficult to provide information to sufficiently differentiate two subjects, that is, their similarity makes it difficult to prevent an article from being a rehash of another in terms of content (such as this situation). {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
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| :@Mario4Ever: and as you can see on this page: [[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Giant_Banana&diff=prev&oldid=1088877]] there is enough information that you cannot just say that it is the same as a regular banana. Here are some examples of differences: Only 4 characters can access it, it has a different facial expression, can be used to completely block narrow paths, splits into 3 smaller bananas when destroyed, has more slow-down effect than normal banana, blocks green and red shells without breaking. as you can see, there are '''at least 6''' Differences between banana and Giant banana. if that isnt enough to say that it wouldn't just be a rehash, I really dont know what you're looking for.{{User:Iamthedude/sig}}
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| ::In all honesty, the only significant piece of information I found was this: ''The giant banana also appears one other time as a piece of furniture in the game ''"Animal Crossing: City Folk."'' '' The part about blocking narrow paths is irrelevant (as is its expression and characters able to use it (Double Dash!! was merged to Rocket Start even though it can only be used in multiplayer)), and except for its splitting into three, its function is more or less identical to that of the standard item. It's not different enough from Bananas to warrant a split, especially since that it still ''is'' a banana despite its few differences. '''@Arend''': What those articles have is common is that the enemies about which they are written appear in multiple games. The Giant Banana only appears in ''Double Dash!!''. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
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| :'''@Mario4Ever''' thats not true giant bananas also appear in both Mario Football games {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
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| ::In terms of this proposal, Giant Banana refers to the item from ''Double Dash!!''. In those two other games, it is identical to the standard item except in size. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
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| Shouldn't we put Z-Bananas in a seperate article, since we have seperate articles for [[Mini Star]]s and [[Mini Ztar]]s?
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| I don't believe it should be capitalized except when talking about games in which it's capitalized in. I highly doubt that it's capitalized in the WarioWare games. May I get some input on this? {{User:Misty/sig}} 14:28, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
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| == Split Giant Banana From Banana ==
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| It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with [[Giant Blue Shell|every]] [[Giant Cannonball|single]] [[Giant Coin|other]] [[Giant Question Block|item]] [[Giant Ninji|or]] [[Mega Guy|enemy]] [[Giant Yoshi Egg|that]] [[Giant Green Shell|is]] [[Giant Bob-omb|currently]] [[Giant Red Shell|has]] [[Big Fuzzy|an]] [[Big Goomba|article]] [[Mega Goomba (species)|on]] [[Mega Goomba (boss)|the]] [[Mega Unagi|Mario]] [[Mega Chomp|Wiki]]. Honestly, I think the barrage of links speaks for itself; there is an overwhelming precedence for giving articles to entities that vary from their counterparts in size, so I don't see why the Giant Banana should be left out.
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| #{{User|Time Turner}} Per my proposal.
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| #{{User|Baby Luigi}} I was about to disagree (especially with the Giant ? Block article, I don't even know if that one's necessary) but then I realized that every Mario Strikers giant item has its own page except the banana. Also, Giant Bananas are distinct special items with their own purpose in Mario Kart: Double Dash, exclusive to DK & Diddy and have their unique properties, I feel it does the wiki a better favor when it's split from a regular banana in the Mario Kart franchise.
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| #{{User|Metalex123}} Per all
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| #{{User|Pyro Guy}} Per all, including the support section in the proposal above.
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| #{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per all (including my previous proposal).
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| #{{User|LudwigVon}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} "A giant banana is still a banana". Um, that's the main argument used for keeping the merge of Giant Banana, and it's, frankly, very silly. Nobody's saying that splitting Giant Banana will suddenly confuse readers into thinking that the item is an apple.
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| #{{User|Andymii}} Huh?! This ''isn't'' split already? Wow. Anyway, if Giant Bannas ''are'' the same as bananas, then how does [[Big Goomba]] get a page? This, and what Baby Luigi has said about it being the only item in Strikers without a Wiki page, make the omission of a Giant Bannana page really inconsistent.
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| #{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Per all.
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| #{{User|RandomYoshi}} – Per all.
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| #{{User|Binarystep}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal.
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| There's a pretty significant difference between a coin equivalent and an item used to trip people. The only reason to keep these merged is that they're both bananas, which isn't really a compelling argument (unless you think all those Paper Mario mushrooms should be merged).
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Niiue}}<br>
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| #{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Chocolate Mario}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|RandomYoshi}} – Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Sonic98}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} This isn't as straightforward as you think it is. The reality is, the games treat Banana and Banana Peel interchangeably. The ''Mario Kart'' series call these items "bananas" (and at one point even resemble [[:File:BananaBunch MK64.png|whole bananas]]), but you're technically using the peel of this banana. One action is providing information for both articles, but how exactly are you going to link the ''Mario Kart'' banana? Readers will likely search this banana as "banana" but will the banana in the ''Mario Kart'' articles link to banana peel? Keep in mind, this also applies to ''Mario Strikers'', ''Mario Tennis'', ''Mario Sports Mix'' and ''Mario Super Sluggers'' as well.
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| #{{User|Metalex123}} Per Bazooka Mario
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| #{{User|BabyLuigi64}} Per Bazooka Mario.
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| #{{User|Tsunami}} Switching factions. Per Bazooka Mario.
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| #{{User|Roy Koopa}} Per Bazooka Mario.
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| #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Bazooka Mario.
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| #{{User|LudwigVon}} Per Bazooka Mario.
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| #{{User|Baby Luigi}} The proposal is good reasoning, but I feel Bazooka Mario's reason is even better.
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| <s>I support splitting, but I think the first paragraph should be updated after it to include the other games Banana Peels are in, other than ''Mario Kart''.</s> {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
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| ''"The Mario Kart series call these items "bananas" (and at one point even resemble whole bananas), but you're technically using the peel of this banana."''<br>
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| I don't really think the inconsistent naming is enough reason to keep these merged. On another note, the Banana Bunch could probably use its own article as well.
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| ''"One action is providing information for both articles, but how exactly are you going to link the Mario Kart banana? Readers will likely search this banana as "banana" but will the banana in the Mario Kart articles link to banana peel?"''<br>
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| It wouldn't really be all that hard to clarify that one article is about a coin equivalent/real world food and the other is about an item used to trip people in various games.
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| [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 18:56, 9 January 2016 (EST)
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| :The inconsistent naming is the entire problem with this proposal, which isn't limited to ''Mario Kart'', and it includes ''Mario Tennis'', ''Mario Strikers'', ''Mario Baseball'', and ''Mario Sports Mix'' which call these "bananas" as well. What are we going to do, put information on this peel in both banana and banana peel? Or make all information link to banana peel via piping (but that doesn't do search results any good, as readers look up banana and get information on the collectible and other things rather than the slapstick comedy they're looking for)? It's not just naming, it's appearance too, as I've shown [[:File:MK64Item-Banana.png|banana in ''Mario Kart 64'']] which appears as a whole banana. All in all, it's a fruitless split. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:00, 9 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::I honestly don't get what your trying to say. Can we not just create an article for the peel of a banana and mention in said article that some games do refer to it as a banana regardless of its actions. I still feel like comparing a Donkey Kong equivalent to a coin to an item used to trip people is enough to say they should be separated. It just feels inconsistent to me to keep them merged. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
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| :::[[Coin]]s function differently in games too. In Mario platformers, they're used to get 100 lives. In Mario Party and Mario RPGs, they're used as currency. In Mario Kart, they're used as fuel. It's a faulty comparison and I think a split would complicate things; Bananas in Mario Kart are simply referred to as bananas for pretty much the entire series. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:24, 10 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::I haven't worded it well, but if we create the article for the peel of the banana and mention that some games refer to it as "banana", it still doesn't help will searches. Say, a reader sees "banana" and "banana cup" in the instruction booklet and wants to look it up. The reader will most likely search for "banana" or "Mario Kart banana" rather than "banana peel" or something like that. It would be more inconvenient if the reader has to click on another link to go to desired article. Furthermore, this "banana peel" has appeared to be a full banana at least once, so the games treat bananas and banana peels as the same. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:10, 11 January 2016 (EST)
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| How about splitting into [[Banana (Mario Kart series)|Banana (''Mario Kart'' series)]]? That split would make sense, since both subjects are named "Banana" but the MK bananas have a very specific function compared to the other bananas in this article, which also feels like an encompass-all article. It would make the most sense. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 10:48, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| :Yeah, that seems like the best idea. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 12:33, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::It's not a bad idea, but it does potentially open up a can of worms. It's a bit like splitting off the Mario RPG Mushrooms from the Mario platformer Mushrooms, as both have clearly different function (one of them is to heal while the other one makes you grow bigger). And what are we going to do with the Bananas that aren't Donkey Kong items? Why aren't they split, but the Mario Kart bananas are? And should we split the Banana item into its own Smash Bros. article as well (since it's not a Mario Kart series item anyway). My twin has also brought up the bananas from games that ''aren't'' Mario Kart games, but are clearly based off how the ''Mario Kart'' series bananas function (namely Mario Baseball and Mario Strikers and Mario Hoops-3-On-3 and Sports Mix games). I think splitting this article up complicates things a bit, and reserving a specific section for Banana for ''Mario Kart'' series when other game series have their bananas function like Mario Kart's just creates even more confusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 12:46, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::''"It's a bit like splitting off the Mario RPG Mushrooms from the Mario platformer Mushrooms,..."''
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| :::<nowiki>*</nowiki>[[MarioWiki:Proposals#Split_the_Mario_.26_Luigi_and_Super_Mario_RPG_consumables_into_separate_articles|cough]]<nowiki>*</nowiki> - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 12:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::God why am I an idiot. Just ignore that point, however my other points still stand. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 12:53, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::And what about splitting up the Banana from Donkey Kong series, since its function is mostly like the coin.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}} 12:58, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::I'm pretty sure the original plan was to leave the Donkey Kong Banana just under a simple "Banana" article without splitting it off but the Mario Kart bananas and their skins get split. However, Bazooka Mario has already stated why it exactly won't work, and I had stated why splitting off Bananas into {{fake link|Banana (Mario Kart)}} is flawed as well. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:03, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::::Maybe the recurring one used to slip people could be the normal "Banana" article, and the Donkey Kong-exclusive coin equivalent could be "Banana (Donkey Kong Country)" or something? [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 13:36, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::::If there were only two distinct uses for bananas, you could try to justify a split, but that's not the case at all. As well as being obstacles in ''Mario Kart'', they're used as similarly slip-causing items in ''SSB'' (attributed to the ''MK'' games as their origin) and ''Strikers'' (and ''Mario Sports Mix'', but as a level hazard, since the bananas as usuable items have different effects); in the ''DK'' series, they've been used as coins, health ''and'' required collectibles to get to bosses (like Stars and Shines in the ''Mario'' 3D platformers); and there's appearances in numerous other series and games with a variety of different attributes. There's no point to separate out any one chunk of the appearances when there are so many equally distinct roles. Best to keep them all in one place. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 13:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| :Tucayo: I've thought about that earlier, but decided that it's not a good idea. Bananas aren't strictly ''Mario Kart'' as they are a recurring ''Mario'' item with a devilish smile that is comic relief fodder. Also, you'd end up splitting Red Shell for its homing and non-bounceable properties. Niiue: that leaves out the ''Mario Party'', ''Nintendo Land'', and ''Yoshi's Story'' bananas (and maybe some others given the {{tem|rewrite-expand}}). Overall, the suggestions are flawed, and I think the article is serviceable as it stands. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 13:54, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| Where did you get the artwork for the Banana Train. {{user|YoshiFan08}} 06:20, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
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| :The summary on the [[:File:MKAGPDX Banana Train.png|file page]] lists the source. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:27, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
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| == What does this mean? ==
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| "It has been requested that this article be rewritten and expanded to include more information."
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| where in the article is this talking about? the article looks complete to me. I mean, it has translations, sprites, complete list of games where the banana is used, good references, info from the SSB series, A quote, etc. what more could this article possibly need? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 07:56, April 15th, 2021
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| :There might be some appearances of bananas not covered in the History section, but there’s no way to know which unless the template specifies them. I always remove expansion templates from pages if it’s ambiguous what needs to be expanded, otherwise they stay up there forever. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 08:30, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::so should the expansion template be removed then since it's not clear what needs to be expanded? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 08:38, April 15th, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::In my opinion, yes, unless someone adds specifics to the template. I'm removing the rewrite-expand template on the [[Warp Pipe]] page as well. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:10, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::::Well I found these suspicious-looking yellow things in these images from a game that's not covered here.
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| :::::[[File:MVDK 2-5 2.png]] [[File:MVDK World 2 End (No Text).png|Donkey Kong getting betrayed by his own bananas]] {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:19, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::::Which game are those images from? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 15:18, April 17, 2021 (EST)
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| :::::::[[File:MVDK-Title Screen Theme.oga]] {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:30, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::::::Oh {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 15:40, April 17, 2021 (EST)
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| == Split Banana Peel from Banana - take 3 ==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|15-4|Split}}
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| This has been proposed (and failed) at least twice before, with the last attempt being 8 years ago (ie, before I started actually editing here). The main reason it failed was alleged mingling of the subject, which amounts to "sometimes banana peel items are just called bananas and two ''Mario Kart'' games from the turn of the millennium (MK64 and MKSC) used a banana as an icon for the banana peel." Personally, I find this to be rather weak reasoning to keep them merged, when for all intents and purposes they are different things with different appearances and different functions. The ''Mario Kart'' icon quirk could easily just be mentioned on the banana page while otherwise the information would be covered on the Banana Peel page. We have since changed how many other MK items are organized (splitting the triples, splitting Dash Mushroom from Mushroom, splitting Golden Dash Mushroom from Golden Mushroom, making a generalized Koopa Shell article in addition to the colored ones), and I believe it's time to do the same here. Furthermore, both appear as completely separate interactive objects in ''Donkey Kong 64'', with Bananas being the collectibles and Peels being a slippery interactive object found in a separate context.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': September 18, 2024, 23:59 (GMT)
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| ===Support===
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| #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per
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| #{{User|Scrooge200}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} Please? This has always bothered me. This is the peel of a banana, it is used differently from an actual banana. We don't have Koopa Shells merged with Koopas, do we? It feels like the same thing. Per proposal.
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| #{{User|EvieMaybe}} they're a distinct object with a distinct function and a distinct appearance. per
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Bananas and Banana Peels have entirely different purposes. The opening sentence of the article makes it very clear that it's better to have this banana split.
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| #{{User|Metalex123}} Per proposal. I noticed my opinion changed between the last proposal and this one, and I guess it does make sense to split the peel from the banana itself. Only thing is that it sounds messy to split them since a banana that is being eaten "becomes" a banana peel in the end. As long as it's made clear what's what, I'm okay with the two being split.
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| #{{User|DryBonesBandit}} This sounds like a case of "same name, same thing" and "they look alike, must be the same thing" to me which is incorrect; banana peels are weapons, bananas are currency, and they just happen to both come from the same plant. Per proposal and the Dash Mushroom point.
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| #{{User|Axii}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|DrippingYellow}} Regardless of the fact that the Mario Kart banana peels are semi-consistently referred to as "Bananas" (even in ''Brawl'', where the generic banana peel trophy lists the Mario Kart series as appearances, the Mario Kart artwork sticker just calls it a Banana), this just makes more sense, and would still be consistent with how we handle things like the [[Potted Piranha Plant]], which has primarly been referred to as simply a Piranha Plant. If people being confused when searching for "Banana" is an issue, then that's what disambiguations are for.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Makes sense to us. Per all.
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| #{{User|Waddle Dingus}}Per all.
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Pseudo}} Per all.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Starluxe}} Per all.
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| ===Oppose===
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| #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} I had a look at the comment in the previous proposal, and it says that Banana and Banana Peels are often treated interchangeably. The main article should make it more clear when they are not the same thing. A Banana Peel is the skin of the banana. A Koopa Shell is an object warn by a Koopa, rather than being part of the same thing.
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| #{{User|Mario}} This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. The reasoning for the previous proposals still stands; this is a split on pedantry: "If there were only two distinct uses for bananas, you could try to justify a split, but that's not the case at all. As well as being obstacles in Mario Kart, they're used as similarly slip-causing items in SSB (attributed to the MK games as their origin) and Strikers (and Mario Sports Mix, but as a level hazard, since the bananas as usuable items have different effects); in the DK series, they've been used as coins, health and required collectibles to get to bosses (like Stars and Shines in the Mario 3D platformers); and there's appearances in numerous other series and games with a variety of different attributes. There's no point to separate out any one chunk of the appearances when there are so many equally distinct roles. Best to keep them all in one place." If people want to search banana, they'll find the information in this page regardless if it's banana from DKC or banana from Mario Kart or banana from Smash Bros or banana from Mario vs. Donkey Kong. Furthermore, this proposal's reasoning is to lead to Giant Banana being split into two: the peel with the flesh and the peel without the flesh for these instances, which is honestly overkill and further supports my stance that splitting these is not the way to go. The current state of the article CAN use organization and splitting, but not this way.
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| #{{User|Ray Trace}} Per the prior proposals that kept them merged.
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| #{{User|TheUndescribableGhost}} Per Mario.
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| ===Comments===
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| {{@|Super Mario RPG}} - "sometimes banana peel items are just called bananas and two Mario Kart games from the turn of the millennium (MK64 and MKSC) used a banana as an icon for the banana peel." That is the entire extent of their interchangeability. So not ''actually'' interchangeable, just closely related. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:09, September 4, 2024 (EDT)
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| Isn't it a problem that the "Banana Peels" in the Mario Kart games are nearly always just called Bananas? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:10, September 4, 2024 (EDT)
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| :[[Dash Mushroom]]s are nearly always just called [[Mushroom]]s, but we still managed to split those. This is no different, aside from the fact that these are both based off real things. Brevity in manual headers is no reason to act like these are something they aren't. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:18, September 4, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::I see your point, but will point out it's not just "brevity in manual headers" - for instance, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has an in-game item list thing that says "Banana" despite other names listed there, such as "Piranha Plant", being longer than "Banana Peel", so clearly it's a conscious choice to call them Bananas in Mario Kart. Admittedly though, it's not consistent between series, with Smash calling them Banana Peels. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:46, September 4, 2024 (EDT)
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| {{@|Mario}} - Bananas are a fruit. Banana ''peels'' aren't a fruit, they're a skin. They're not just different uses of the same item, they're different items entirely. Also, much of those examples are split now anyway, like [[Golden Banana]]s and [[Giant Banana]]s. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:35, September 4, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Hang on, the Giant Banana page is also covering both the fruit and the peel. Does that need splitting further? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 09:09, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Yes, same with Golden. They're just following how it was done here. As the basis, this should go first, they will follow. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:52, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::This seems overkill. Moreso when in Double Dash, when you get the item, your character is holding a closed banana, and it turns into a peel the moment you use it. Also, we're going to have to deal with [[:File:Diddy Tails Mark-MSB.png]] and [[:File:Diddy Red Caps Mark-MSB.png]] being in two different gallery pages (it's a further illustration of my point that the games don't even distinguish between banana and the banana peel strictly; the Mario Kart games consistently call these "bananas", not "banana peels"; players also colloquially call these "bananas" are probably are expected to search "banana" on the wiki). If we're going to split the page I recommend the DK collectible being split off to try to isolate the Mario Kart banana with the smiley face but that's still really dicey due to Mario Party using both banana and banana peels interchangeably like in [[Koopa's Seaside Soiree]], [[Mass A-peel]], [[Bananas Faster]], and instances in other games like [[Snow Day Street Hockey]], Diddy's bogey animations in Mario Golf: World Tour (you're going to have practically duplicate information since these games have bananas and the resulting peels), and so on. Sure, you can have the pages talk about both, but this would involve people jumping between the two. It's not a clean situation and I think we're better off merging it until we give considering how to organize the DK collectible and Mario Kart item (which also occurs in the sports games) and the rest of the instances. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:18, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::It is a bit messy, but it would be much less messy to split them. It's less about the design and more about banana peels being their own thing (and always being used in the context of the comedy archetype prop) than about any design changes. On the rare occasion a banana is shown ''becoming'' a peel, those occasional near-dupes are fine; an overwhelming majority of the time, they are completely standalone, even at times when both appear. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:49, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::I question if it's any better to split them since the resulting pages will be Banana, Banana Peel, Golden Banana, Golden Banana Peel, Big Banana, and Big Banana Peel, and if you're going to split on the reasoning that they look different and have different appearances, you should be thinking about how we deal with other versatile subjects that were given simple names including [[coconut]] or [[watermelon]] (should we split watermelon seed from watermelon? some games mention the seeds appearing without the watermelon) {{User:Mario/sig}} 22:06, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::They probably should, as those are a projectile that are gained from the watermelons, like Fire Flowers and their resulting fireballs. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:11, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| Given that they're called simply Bananas in most games regardless, wouldn't that mean the article title should be {{fake link|Banana (peel)}}? {{User:Arend/sig}} 01:09, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| :[[Dash Mushroom]] is an outlier too. There's the whole "source priority exception" thing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:18, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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