Editing Talk:Ball on chains

==Potential rename from "cog" to "ball on chains"==
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So apparently, we call these object cogs, because an official Australian Nintendo magazine called these as such [https://ia903204.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/25/items/Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU/Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU_jp2.zip&file=Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU_jp2/Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU_0055.jp2&id=Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU&scale=4&rotate=0 when listing various objects in ''Super Mario Land 2'']. As discussed on [[Talk:Cog (obstacle)#Comments|a talk page about another cog]] (how ''cog''nitive), though, I found myself wondering if there wasn't a better name for this item, as honestly, this isn't really a cog at all (it's a ball-shaped lift that's attached to chains), and likewise, other languages don't seem to refer to it as a cog either. So I did some digging on Archive.org, and found [[:File:NPDec1992P48.jpg|a page of a ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] in which these things are being referred to as "balls on chains".

So, personally, I think a rename is in order, for the following reasons:
#Again, this isn't really a cog, and other languages don't refer to it as such either.
#Actual cogs (referred to as gears in ''Nintendo Power'' and other guides) appear in ''Super Mario Land 2'' as well, as platforms and obstacles; in fact, they appear in [[Mario Zone|the exact same zone]], too. The current title for this page doesn't make that clear and could cause confusion, especially since [[Cog (obstacle)|the relevant article for the gears]] currently has ''nothing'' on their appearance in ''Super Mario Land 2''.
#Given that "cog" comes from an Australian source, and "ball on chains" from an American one, I believe that the American ''Nintendo Power'' has priority as a naming source.
The new name could simply be {{fake link|Ball on chains}} (or {{Fake link|Ball on chains (''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'')}} if that's too similar to [[Ball and Chain]], or articles with similar names). What do you guys think?

As for why the Australian magazine calls it a cog instead of a ball on chains, or a ball lift, or whatever, I could guess they misinterpreted the sprite as a cog (it does ''kinda'' look like an eight-teethed cog on that magazine page, after all). Similar discussions on sprite misinterpretations have been made on the [[Wire|wire/horizontal bar]] from ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|Donkey Kong]]'', another Game Boy game from around that era, so it wouldn't be all too surprising. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:03, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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 ==Potential rename from "cog" to "ball on chains"==
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 So apparently, we call these object cogs, because an official Australian Nintendo magazine called these as such [https://ia903204.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/25/items/Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU/Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU_jp2.zip&file=Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU_jp2/Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU_0055.jp2&id=Nintendo_Magazine_System_05_1993-08_Trielle_AU&scale=4&rotate=0 when listing various objects in ''Super Mario Land 2'']. As discussed on [[Talk:Cog (obstacle)#Comments|a talk page about another cog]] (how ''cog''nitive), though, I found myself wondering if there wasn't a better name for this item, as honestly, this isn't really a cog at all (it's a ball-shaped lift that's attached to chains), and likewise, other languages don't seem to refer to it as a cog either. So I did some digging on Archive.org, and found [[:File:NPDec1992P48.jpg|a page of a ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] in which these things are being referred to as "balls on chains".
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 As for why the Australian magazine calls it a cog instead of a ball on chains, or a ball lift, or whatever, I could guess they misinterpreted the sprite as a cog (it does ''kinda'' look like an eight-teethed cog on that magazine page, after all). Similar discussions on sprite misinterpretations have been made on the [[Wire|wire/horizontal bar]] from ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|Donkey Kong]]'', another Game Boy game from around that era, so it wouldn't be all too surprising. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:03, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
-:As the one who found "cog" to begin with, I'm in full support. We can just use <nowiki>{{distinguish}}</nowiki> for ball on chain and Ball 'N' Chain since they don't outright conflict. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:10, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
-::Yeah, that sounds good. Um, should I wait for more people that agree or do you think I can rename the page already (or heck, should I make a proposal first)? {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:25, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
-:::I personally think it looks clear-cut and you're good to go, but I guess it doesn't hurt to wait a little while just in case any objections are raised. If that happens, it's a sign of proposal time. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:45, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
-::::Well, 24 hours have gone by and nothing else has been said. Assuming that Nintendo101 and Pseudo over on the other cog talk page are in agreement too, I suppose I have the green light to move it. {{User:Arend/sig}} 15:40, April 13, 2024 (EDT)