Editing Talk:Badge

== Unused Items ==
I have various unused items from Paper Mario, the only thing is some of them look just like badges. Should we add an unused items list?

I also have many unused badges to include.
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar| Yoshi Mastar]]
:Go for it. For BP amount, say "Likely __" if it's a P version of another badge in the game, since it would probably be the same amount. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 13:37, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

::I uploaded images for the other 10.

== PM2 Badges ==

For ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]'', I have 39 X 39 icons for all the badges. Would it be worth it to upload all these icons and add them to the chart, or should I ditch the idea? [[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 19:13, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

:I think the more images the better...as long as they are of high quality. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 19:22, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

::<nowiki>[[Image:Allornothing.gif]]</nowiki> - is this high-quality? [[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 15:45, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

:looks high-quality to me. [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 15:49, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Yes. That's very good. Perfect. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 15:53, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Nice Job, Wayoshi! --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 17:52, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
:Yeah, it came out nicely. :) --[[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 19:30, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Impressive! --''[[User:DarkInsanity|DarkInsaniy]]'' ('''''[[User_talk:DarkInsanity|talk]]''''')

== Clothing ==

In the Mario & Luigi series, does clothing count? It is an add-on that affects HP & DEF in Superstar Saga (badges affect POW & BP) and all clothes affect everything in Partners in Time (badges add special effects to a brother). -[[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 23:08, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
:No. Clothing is clothing while Badges are Badges. They produce similar effects but are two different items physically. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 23:21, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

== Dummied Out ==

What does Dummied Out mean? [[User:Superchao|Superchao]] 23:35, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
:Actually, Dummied Out means that the badge has not been confirmed or is rumored (fake). Like in PM2, there is no All or Nothing P badge (though now removed). Dummied Out badges should be removed from the table unless you can find the badge in the game. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 23:45, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

But actully, Dummied Out badges are listed at The Mushroom Kingdom as badges that are in the programming and not in the game itself.

:I've never looked closely into these types, but it would make sense. Attack FX F in PM and the four Partner badges (All or Nothing P, Lucky Day P, Flower Drain P, and something else P) sound like extras that were scrapped and/or mistaken. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 23:57, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Pity Flower P, you should look at The Mushroom Kingdom website in Lost Bytes. Can we still add them?
Page Link: http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/pmttyd_lost.shtml [[User:Superchao|Superchao]] 00:06, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

:Obsolete game programming is not part of the [[Marioverse]], so no. However, very cool page. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 00:15, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

:: It should still count, as it is part of the programming, and in the list, they could be listed as "Scrapped" or "Unused Badge". [[User:Superchao|Superchao]] 00:17, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

==Unused Badges ==

I don't think unused badges (Attack FX F & Lucky Day P) should be included in the list. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 16:14, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

:Or at the very least, they should not be included in the main list, but placed in a different subsection. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

:: What subsection? And there are more unused badges. [[User:Superchao|Superchao]] 16:28, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

::: There. Add them alphabetically in Section 1.3 <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 16:54, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

== Badge and articles ==

I think someone forgot the badge you get from the [[Big_Boo#Paper_Mario:_The_Thousand-Year_Door|Atomic Boo]]. Because I don't see it. Also, don't you think someone should add the information about L Emblem, to the Luigi article, and the W Emblem to the Wario article?
Seeing how the Waluigi article has the information on puting them both on.--[[User:PeteyPiranhaLover|PeteyPiranhaLover]] 19:03, 15 December 2006 (EST)


Add all those badges to the list my friend. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

The Atomic Boo badge is there.<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

Where? What's it called? {{User:3dejong/sig}}

It's the Lucky Start Badge. -Doopliss Rocks

== Redirects ==

Would it be OK if I made redirects for every badge to this list? --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Y</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">o</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">s</span>''']][[Special:recentchanges|'''<span style="color:black">h</span>''']][[Special:random|'''<span style="color:green">i</span>''']][[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">2</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[Image:MKDD Yoshi Egg.png|20px]] 00:45, 4 February 2007 (EST)
:No. Not needed. Will just clutter up the articles list page. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
::Yes, but shouldn't people who are looking up these badges get redirected to where the info is? --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Y</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">o</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">s</span>''']][[Special:recentchanges|'''<span style="color:black">h</span>''']][[Special:random|'''<span style="color:green">i</span>''']][[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">2</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[Image:MKDD Yoshi Egg.png|20px]] 02:17, 4 February 2007 (EST)
::Redirect pages don't add to the total # of articles. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 10:36, 4 February 2007 (EST)
:::But they are added to the list of all (main) articles in the wiki. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
::::Is that an issue? I can see some people looking up specific badge info, and then be redirected here. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 11:34, 4 February 2007 (EST)

:::::It could be an issue for some, to have so many redirects (like all the badges and "Bad Mario") cluttering up the list of articles. For others, some redirects would be helpful. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== Super Mario RPG ==

Think it should be mentioned that there are a few badges in Super Mario RPG? Theres the Safety Badge and a few others I think. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

:Maybe in short section or something, as we have [[Accessories (SMRPG)]] for those badges. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
::Following all other sections, as Badges in PM, TTYD, M&L, and PiT are certainly far more important and relevant to the article than SMRPG's handful of badges. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 06:24, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

== Bros. Life and Bros. Respect ==

What is the exact reason no-one knows how to obtain these badges (in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)? I've seen a few sources saying they can be obtained from enemies, but I can't find out from which enemies. Are they even in the game at all? [[User:YesmanJr|YesmanJr]] 13:05, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
:Pretty sure I got Respect from defeating Hermie III once, but don't quote me on that. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 00:51, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
::Do you have the badge on your current file? [[User:YesmanJr|YesmanJr]] 18:52, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

== Rewriting the Unused Badges Section ==

Using the game shark code 8110F344 0XXX, I've been able to look through and equip all the unused badges in the original Paper Mario. I got the correct BP and function for each of them. And I gave each badge with no name a systemic name based on its pointer in the ROM, rather than trivial names made up by fans... which means they're now in a different order in the table. I added 4 badges that were missing from the old list, too. There appear to be 2 badges I didn't find while sweeping the pointer table, I moved them to the end as "Unknown Badge...?" I also separated out the Paper Mario 2 badges into their own table. If these changes are unwanted, feel free to revert them, I won't be offended :) {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:58, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

:Oh, and I haven't touched the PM2 section, other than separating it from the PM section. I believe that Turtle Curse is actually an item, not a badge, called Koopa Curse, but I could be wrong. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 19:20, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

Could you maybe post screenshots of the unused badges/items in action? [[User:Superjustin|Superjustin]] 15:33, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:Well, uhhh... there's not that much to see, actually, but I could make a little animation that shows how Mario looks when you have badge $0101 {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 20:48, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

:I went ahead and did that. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 21:08, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Anyone speak Japanese? ===

I've just discovered that all the "nameless" badges have names, but they weren't translated.  I hate hate hate Mario Story's font, and I'm not so great at Japanese anyway, so if you are and you'd like to help, I'd be grateful. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 16:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't speak japnese but I do know a translateing website. heres the link:
[[http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#]]  --rwars 20:17, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Beta/unused badges ==

Shouldn't the two unused badges section be moved to the [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door/Beta elements|Beta Elements]] section for some reason? {{User:RAP/sig}} [[Special:Contributions/RAP|Heh, another user who's willing to get some beta info. :) That's good for the wiki. ^_^]]

: Well, probably, but those lists are kind of long...  I mean, the Beta Elements page is huge already...  {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 01:57, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

==M&L 3==
The second half of that M&L3 Paragraph makes almost no sense. Relics? Socks? They should have separate articles. And, "Badges reappear in M&L3," then, later, "Badges are replaced by..."? That makes no sense either. {{User:Bloc Partier/sig}}

==M&L RPG 3 - Luigi's Bros. Badges==
I've been reading about Luigi's Excellent!! Bros. Badge, and then I came upon some info about the badge's action command, that left a question in my mind. It reads:
"Action Command: Excellent. If Brother gets lower than that, his side of the bar empties."
Something's unclear about it, though: does it empty fully, or does it empty in the same proportion it would fill if the brother did get an Excellent (I hope it's the latter...)? Please answer! {{User:Mr. Br Mario/sig}}

:It empties totally.  {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 12:54, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

== sorting ==

err... do you really need to have EVERYTHING in alphabetical order around here? How about by number? [[User:Another castle|Another castle]] 21:03, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Badge Block ==

Hey, Supershroom here! Should there be a section on the red ? Block you get badges from in Paper Mario (And mabye in PM:TTYD and SPM too, I'm not sure)? I've found it odd that no-one has -- but does it have a section in [[? Block|this page]], mabye? I'll check. And if so, what's it's official name? Is it Badge Block? {{User:Supershroom/sig}} Yes, I'll get a new sig soon -  this one's terrible!

thats a good idea!
{{unsigned|Redyoshi911}}

== Japanese names for badges ==

I'm thinking of adding the corresponding Japanese names for some of the badges listed here. For example, "Mega Jump" would be ドカーンジャンプ (Dokān Janpu). What would be the best way to accomplish this?
--[[User:Miguel-Martins|Miguel-Martins]] 17:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. I just saw the "List of Badges/Names in Other Languages" article. I'll contribute to it with a small update.
--[[User:Miguel-Martins|Miguel-Martins]] 18:59, 2 January 2011 (EST)
== Why is this one article? ==
I Think allthe badges should have their own article.this gives almost no information on them,the Items each have their own article.I think it's a terrible idea combining all of the badges from every game ito one artcle.


It really annoys me that the badges are one article with almost no information on them.this is not helpful at all!Wouldnt it be better if  it was one article for each game's badges with info on them kind of like  list of implied stuff but with pictures.
{{unsigned|Redyoshi911}}


==Split into '''Badges'''( by game)==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|3-8|keep single article}}
I think This article needs to be split into the Badges by game,not crammed into one article.that's like merging all of the Microgames from the Warioware series into one article.Every Microgame has it's own article.All of the Badges vary from game to game,Badges in Mario & Luigi:bowser's inside story are a completely different thing that the badges in the Paper Mario series.Same for Mario & Luigi:SS and PiT.The article is also lacking important information on badges like how you get them,and details on what they do.

'''Proposer''': {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 12, 2011, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{user|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} Per My Proposal
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per proposal (you've made an one bad example with microgames, though)
#{{User|Nicke8}} Per yoshiyoshiyoshi

====Oppose====
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} Per my comments below 
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per the user below me.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Even if we split them up into just badges for each game, the format works very well as is. There's no need to split, just look in the respective game section for badges from that game, or if you don't know which game the badge is in, use Ctrl-F.
#{{User|Zero777}} Per all. The difference with microgames and badges is that badges don't play a big role in the game (except for one) and microgames are the whole concept and element of the warioware games.
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per all. And this proposal would be technically illegal anyways since that would create about hundreds of stubs.
#{{User|Yoshiwaker}} Per Bop1996. Also, this would split up a great Featured Article.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per all! No split!
#{{User|Reversinator}} Completely unnecessary. The whole article is already organized by game, so there's no point to splitting them.

====Comments====
Also it tells you where they are located and it shouldn't have to give you details on how to get them this isn't a strategy guide 
{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

I proposed that they get an aticle based on the game,like Badges(Paper Mario), and Badges (Mario & Luigi:Bowser's Inside Story.I did not say to create an article for every badge,which would create a hassle.
{{user|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

@goomasshoe15 sorry,I didnt know it said where to fin them. my bad.
{{user|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

The deadline was wrong: TPPs end 2 weeks after they are created (May 10 is only 12 days after April 28). Also, TPPs don't need a "Voting Start" line. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 15:05, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

I think you should all change your vote.I DID NOT suggest to make an article for each badge.READ the proposal before you assume things!{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

Yeah that one was my bad sorry bout that but i still think this is un needed since all the info you seek is already in the article 
{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

But more to the point you lied when you said that this article doesnt tell you where you find them are what they do the only other option is that you never acctually read the article cause not knowing would be impossible if you acctually read the article 
{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

==PM sound effect badges==
Should we add the sound the sound effect badges make in Paper Mario? I don't know the sounds they make anyway.{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}
:It might be kinda hard to describe them so I'd say no. {{User:Yoshiwaker/sig}}

So they don't make specific noises like the ones in Paper Mario 2 did?{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}
==Super Paper Mario==
I think we should make seperate articles for the ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' HP Plus and Power Plus [[List of items|items]]. We also made a seperate article for the [[Happy Flower (item)|Happy Flower]], which is also a badge in the first two [[Paper Mario series|''Paper Mario'' games]] and an item in ''Super Paper Mario''.<br/>
--[[User:Zaimoon|Zaimoon]]

Yeah...  --rwars 19:51, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== How do I get it? ==

For PM, How do you get the badge on that is on the hill in Dry Dry desort?  --rwars 19:59, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

For the forums, and I really don't know.{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}

OK.  and how is that for the forums?  I mean, it's about the article, right?  --rwars 20:19, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

:Well, unless you're trying to add it to the article, which is unnecessary, then this comment isn't about ''improving'' the article. Talk about the actual article that isn't designed to improve or clarify the article in some way belongs on the forums. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}

== Seperate into different articles ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|2-8|oppose}}
We should seperate these into different articles like "Mario and Luigi Partners in Time (badges)" instead of having one big article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|M&L}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 18, 2012, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|M&L}} per proposal
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} per my last proposal

===Oppose===
#{{User|Raven Effect}} per the arguments in the last proposal about doing this.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per my reasoning in the above proposal about splitting this article up.
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} Per All.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Bop's aforementioned reasoning.
#{{User|Super Famicom 64}} Per all. Splitting an article into various articles '''related''' to the split one isn't necessary. And a Featured Article.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Splitting a Featured Article into smaller articles? How about not. Per all.
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} At first I thought this was a good idea but after looking at the article we'd just ruin a perfectly good FA.
#{{User|Good Magikrazy}} That doesn't seem like a ba- *looks at article* holy shrimp! Per all, per all, per all!

===Comments===

== detailed info ==

I am a new user so I'm sorry if this is formatted incorrectly. I would like to know which effect is applied first, The effect of last stand or the effect of defend plus/D-up P-Down. I also think it would be very helpful to mark badges available in finite ammounts.
[[User:PIE XD|PIE_XD]] 21:22, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

== Power Bounce limit? ==

A few people on chat brought up the fact that there is a maximum of 101 jumps that can be performed using the badge. Can someone verify this somehow, since the page doesn't mention anything about a limit? {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
:Oh? I heard from [http://tasvideos.org/2818M.html] that the world record is just 18. No one has even seen more than 20 bounces. After a few bounces, the game starts to decide whether Mario can continue bouncing, using the random number generator. The RNG usually can't be affected during bouncing, so the number of bounces are determined when the bouncing starts. [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 02:35, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

== Miracle/Silver combo for Dream Team ==

I've found that the in-game description (as well as the wiki) shows that it reverts to the PREVIOUS turn. Upon using the actual badge combo it actually reverts to the beginning of the fight entirely rather than the previous turn. This does include all items, HP/BP, etc. still. I've found that others have had the same situation, however I didn't want to edit the page (not the chart, but to add a note) unless a lot of people were able to confirm it on the wiki first.

Edit: Would adding the "value" of how long it takes for certain badge combos to charge be a good idea?

-Tess

== Dream Team Badges ==

So, I'm looking for the pricings of badges in Mario & Luigi Dream Team, I found [http://www.primagames.com/games/mario-luigi-dream-team/strategy/mario-and-luigi-dream-team-5-must-have-badges this] and it says:
*Strike badge worths 200 coins.
*Master badge worths 600 coins.
*Expert badge and miracle badge both worth 2000 coins.
The others are unknown. Please find them out and list them on the page.

And according to [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/704054-mario-and-luigi-dream-team/faqs/68460?print=1#section8 this guide], the Virus+Gold badge combination increases the '''power''' of Lucky Hits, instead of chances.

Please upload the badge icons too, and also the icons of their combination. Thanks.

--[[User:UntergangerPlus|UntergangerPlus]] ([[User talk:UntergangerPlus|talk]]) 23:54, 27 July 2014 (EDT)UntergangerPlus

== Super Mario Bros. SFX badge ==

Wasn't there a badge that changed Mario's attack sounds to those from Super Mario Bros.? [[User:StarWolf|StarWolf]] ([[User talk:StarWolf|talk]]) 18:49, 21 January 2016 (EST)

== badge list for MLSS+BM ==

I noticed that there are badges in SSBM that arent in SS (like the popple badge) but they dont get listed anywhere. I think there should be a list for SSBM badges. [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 09:20, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
:They are listed [[List of clothing in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions|in this page]]. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 09:49, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
::ok thanks, im going to add another link to the page for it [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 11:53, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::I wouldn't mind splitting it for consistency though. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:22, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
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 ::ok thanks, im going to add another link to the page for it [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 11:53, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
 :::I wouldn't mind splitting it for consistency though. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:22, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
-== Paper Mario badge limit ==
-I don't think you can do it in game without cheats/hacks to negate max BP, but it seems in the original Paper Mario you can only wear 64 badges at a time. attempting to put on more yieds the message "you shouldn't wear any more" wondering if this limit should be mentioned somewhere [[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 23:10, March 27, 2022 (EDT)