Editing Talk:Baby Yoshi

Are you kidding?! The Yoshis in ''Yoshi's Story'' are tiny!!!
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They grow up to adult if they eat any item, try to do it with a mushroom or feather.
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The Yoshis in Yoshi's Story aren't Baby Yoshis. --[[User:Xeze|Xeze]] 13:31, 13 February 2008 (EST)
:They are. The intro refer to them as such. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 13:47, 13 February 2008 (EST)

==Merge to Yoshi (species)?==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|2-6|keep split}}
The information on this page doesn't necessarily merit an individual article. Baby Yoshi aren't a species, sub-species, or even a form; they're simply infant Yoshi. This article amounts to no more than a list of appearances of infant or child Yoshi in different media, but dresses it up in a flashy way with lots of pictures. A similar issue was brought up and proposed not too long ago, about knowing the difference between characters as infants, and the Baby characters. The two are not one and the same, and this was understood and the two separated per that proposal.

Because of all this, I feel the relevant information on this page should be merged into the [[Yoshi (species)]] article. It would fit appropriately under the Biology section, and result in a much more comprehensive article on the subject. It should also be noted that none of the images found on this page would be lost due to this proposed merge. In fact, all the images are taken from other articles for the purpose of filling up this page. Nothing serious will be lost, except for a list, if you find that important.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Redstar}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' March 15 2010, 23:59

{{fake heading|3|Merge to Yoshi (species)}}
#{{User|Redstar}} - Per proposal
#{{User|KS3}} Per Redstar. I split Blue toad for you FYI.

{{fake heading|3|Leave un-merged}}
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! I changed my mind, Baby Yoshis seem to have a slightly different role in mario games then regular yoshis. Zero signing out.
#{{User|Reversinator}} The same could be said about [[Baby Mario]], [[Baby Luigi]] and the like.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Baby Yoshi is treated like a separate character in some parts of the article. Merging a "separate character" with the species sounds strange.
#{{User|Supermariofan14}} Baby Yoshi is totally different from regular Yoshi.
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Per all.
#{{user|Bloc Partier}} - The article needs improvement, sure. But It should not be merged, as the Baby Yoshi is a rather different form of Yoshi, especially in SMW.

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@Reversinator, LeftyGreenMario, and Supermariofan14: You all seem to think this proposal is about merging Baby Yoshi (character) into Yoshi (character). This is not what this proposal is attempting to do. It instead attempting to merge the infant stage of Yoshi into the Yoshi as a race page, which covers biology. Infant Yoshi are a stage in Yoshi biology, so keeping the information unmerged is needless. This proposal is nothing like merging Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, etc. into their adult forms. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 19:49, 2 March 2010 (EST)

:Well, I still stand up for what I previously said, Baby Yoshi is a character. {{User:Supermariofan14/sig}}

I'm not participating in this proposal because the Baby Yoshi article is like the Metal Mario article before it got split and the Yellow Toad article. {{User:KS3/sig}}
:@Supermariofan14: Umm, no. Not every infant Yoshi is the character Baby Yoshi. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:08, 3 March 2010 (EST)
::No, but all the babies are still characters, and should be treated equally. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:::That's not really true. This article is about the biological state of a Yoshi as an infant, not a collection of information on infant Yoshi characters. They can be treated "equally" on their respective articles; not here. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 04:45, 4 March 2010 (EST)
::::And the other articles are about the biological of the other characters as infants. See, concistency rules here. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:::::No they're not. What are you talking about? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:00, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:::::Baby Mario is not the biological info of Mario. Baby Mario is a character that stars in Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario and Luigi: Partners in time, Yoshi's Story, etc. Baby Yoshi now describes part of the Fearsome 5, the star child in Yoshi's Island DS, the biological info of Yoshis, etc. This is like the Blue Toad article before it was split. {{User:KS3/sig}}

If the info on the biological "Baby Yoshis" was merged with the species article, wouldn't the same have to be done for [[Baby Blooper]], and any other such pages? - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:29, 7 March 2010 (EST)
:Well we did it for Blue Toad. {{User:KS3/sig}}

Okay, has anyone that has voted against merging even read the proposal? Do any of you know what the proposal is attempting to do? From your vote comments it seems none of you do. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
:I do, and my reason still firmly stands. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

==Merge relative info into [[Yoshi (species)]], <s>[[Little Yoshi]]</s> and [[Fearsome 5]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-4|no merge}}
As Redstar states above, we need to merge info where Baby Yoshi was considered a species. But, in Paper Mario, there was 5 baby yoshis called the Fearsome 5, and In Tetris Attack, there is a yellow Little Yoshi. The info can be merged into the respective articles. <br>
Sections are split into:
*Yoshi (species)
*#Super Mario World
*#Yoshi's Story
*<s>Little Yoshi</s>
*#<s>Tetris Attack</s>
*Fearsome 5
*#Paper Mario

'''Proposer:''' {{User|KS3}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' March 17 2010, 23:59

{{fake heading|3|Support}}
#{{User|KS3}}

{{fake heading|3|Oppose}}
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Little Yoshi redirects to Baby Yoshi and the Fearsome 5 are very important characters and have a lot of info. If we do this, then we'd have to merge all the Glitz Pit Battle Teams into their respective articles, such as [[Craw Daddy]].
#{{User|Reversinator}} Per Gamefreak75.
#{{User|Supermariofan14}} Per Game.
#{{user|Bloc Partier}} - The article needs improvement, sure. But It should not be merged, as the Baby Yoshi is a rather different form of Yoshi, especially in SMW.

{{fake heading|3|Comments}}
Why did you make this proposal when mine, just above, is proposing essentially the same exact thing? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:08, 3 March 2010 (EST)
:No it isn't. It is going to merge the Paper Mario info into the [[Fearsome 5]]. {{User|KS3}}
::The ''Paper Mario'' section of this article wasn't covering the Fearsome 5 as characters, but by their role as baby Yoshi. (If that isn't entirely clear, then the section should be re-written to make the coverage of that role more obvious)

::In any case, my proposal only received its deadline today, so it was well within its limits to be amended or expanded. You could have simply asked rather then make another too-similar proposal and confuse any potential voters for either. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:19, 3 March 2010 (EST)
:::But aren't there many baby yoshis in the Fearsome 5??? {{User|KS3}}
::::That's kinda the reason why they're mentioned on here. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:31, 3 March 2010 (EST)
:::::This is Baby Yoshi (character), not baby Yoshis. {{User|KS3}}
::::::No, it's not. The main focus of this article is on infant (baby) Yoshi, not Baby Yoshi the character, whom is a Star Child. Information on both are on here because Baby Yoshi (character) doesn't have enough information to hold its own. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:40, 3 March 2010 (EST)


==Subject of the article==

ForeverDaisy's attempt to remove the section on the cartoon raises an interesting question: what exactly is the subject of this article? The introduction and most of the sections seem to indicate that the article is meant to cover the biological aspect of a Yoshi in its infant stage, and how infant Yoshi are depicted in various media.

However, some of the sections (such as the above mentioned cartoon section) are written with the focus more on the character rather than the presentation of the character's biology. I think we should re-write the article to avoid this focus on the characters rather than the biology; however, as per my above proposal, more than a few people seem to think this article is about Baby Yoshi (the character) rather than infant Yoshi. Any thoughts? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 22:31, 4 March 2010 (EST)

I don't get why you undid the edit then. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|ForeverDaisy09]] 23:13, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:Because it was an example of an infant Yoshi in the cartoon. Rather than simply being removed it should be refocused. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 23:17, 4 March 2010 (EST)
::No, it is a section about Yoshi from the cartoon in baby form. The mentioned proposal made it so that baby characters from cartoons could not be associated with video-game counterparts. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|ForeverDaisy09]] 00:21, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:::You're not getting it. This article is about the biological state of infant Yoshi. The character Yoshi was an infant in the cartoon. That section is meant to point out the characteristics of an infant Yoshi in the cartoon, of which the character Yoshi is the only example. Rather than being removed, it should be refocused to make the example more clear along the lines of the articles subject. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:52, 5 March 2010 (EST)
::::Uhh... the Baby Yoshi in the cartoon was the infant version of Yoshi too. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:::::That's '''exactly''' my point. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 04:20, 12 March 2010 (EST)
::::::Ohhh. I get what you mean. Yeah, I agree with Redstar. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

==Split {{fake link|Baby Yoshi (species)}} from Baby Yoshi==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|no quorum|1-1}}
Some sections explain the Baby Yoshi as a species (like the Super Mario World one), and this article should only explain the characters Baby Yoshi. There was a proposal splitting the Yellow Toad page, and this is the exact thing I am doing here. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User|KS3}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' 21 April 2010, 24:00

{{fake heading|3|Split info that is about the species}}
#{{User|KS3}} The Yellow Toad species sections were split, why not this (Super Mario World section, Yoshi's Story section, etc)

{{fake heading|3|Keep merged...}}
#{{User|Homestar Runner}} I'm pretty sure that there is no "character" Baby Yoshi.

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@Homestar Runner: I'm pretty sure that there is a character named Baby Yoshi (Yoshi's Island DS hello). {{User:KS3/sig}}

@KS3 There are no Baby Yoshis in Yoshi's Island DS! {{User:SuperFlameGuy/sig}}
:Yes there is; at the end of the game, there is a picture of Yoshi hatching from an egg with a star on its head. It's probably just a small appearance, but it's there nonetheless. Now, don't respond to really old comments as this person wasn't active since forever. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:21, 10 November 2013 (EST)

=="Paper mario series" section==

Do we really need that? {{User:KS3/sig}} 23:57, 14 May 2010 (EDT)

Why not?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}

Baby Yoshis appear both in Paper Mario and Paper Mario: TTYD. Yes, we need it. [[User:Killer Axe|Killer Axe]]

==Green Baby Yoshi NSMBU?==
Is there gonna be a green baby yoshi? http://yoshigo99.deviantart.com/art/Baby-Yoshi-307128038 <--- Comment and Rate --{{ User:MarioMan51/sig}} 07:43, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

That is just fan art. The user states she made it herself.--[[User:LuigiBlubber|LuigiBlubber]] ([[User talk:LuigiBlubber|talk]])

==Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door==
In the Italian version of [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]] it is confirmed that the [[Yoshi (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) | Yoshi]] there is a Baby Yoshi, as he is defined as a ''MiniYoshi'', with the explanation that MiniYoshis are ''Yoshis that just hatched from the eggs'' (you can read the translated text of Wonky's tale and its source in the talk section of that page). Since he also shares the same Japanese name of Baby Yoshi in that game, should a section about him be added here?
{{unsigned|Mister Wu}}

== add Mario’s FUNdamentals to the list of games baby yoshi is in. ==

on https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario%27s_FUNdamentals the link to yoshi under checkers leads to here but there is no section talking about the game. the baby yoshis are on the checker board btw {{unsigned|CoolDylan}}

==Should Baby Fat get their own article?==
I think '''Baby Fat''' is an individual character like how the [[Fearsome 5]] are individual characters. Thus, I think they deserve their own article like [[Boshi]] and the [[Village Leader]]. There is plenty that could be typed about them. I have multiple proofs. To begin with, [[:File:Hypothetical Article.png|Exhibit A]] shows an example of the most barebones hypothetical Baby Fat page which is about equal in size to the [[Muku Cookie]] article. [[:File:Muku Cookie Article.png|Exhibit B]] shows an image of the article in question for purpose of comparison. Additionally, there's plenty of information that could be added to the article to expand it. Adding sections for Quotes, Names in other languages, and Trivia could add extra room. A History section that showcases images of Baby Fat on [[Yo'ster Isle]] could talk about what items can be gained from Baby Fat and how many [[Yoshi Cookie]]s are needed to acquire certain items. Finally, more information would be added to the article when the [[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Switch remake]] is released like "latest appearance: ''[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG]]''". In closing, though it would require the deletion of the Baby Fat -> Baby Yoshi redirect, I seriously think Baby Fat should get their own article because there is more than enough information to sustain it. I would like to hear what you guys think on this matter. If there is major disagreement about what should be done, I will set up a proposal for this topic. I'll check back in tomorrow to see what you guys think.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 23:57, August 13, 2023 (EDT)
:"Baby Fat" is only named by a single guidebook. Other sources treat it as a standard Yoshi/Baby Yoshi. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:03, August 14, 2023 (EDT)
:Meme cred aside, 'twould be best to wait for the remake. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:10, August 14, 2023 (EDT)
K. If Nintendo refers to the fat [[Baby Yoshi]] in ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|Super Mario RPG]]'' by a specific name e.g. Baby Fat, Fat Yoshi, etc. in a trailer for the [[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Switch remake]] or in-game (when it releases), then we should revisit this topic.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 12:52, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Regarding my last comment, [[User:Pizza Master/sandbox|this]] is what the article could look like if the yoshi is given a name in the [[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Switch remake]]--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 01:15, August 16, 2023 (EDT)

I know that the switch remake hasn't released yet, but I'd like to point out that Baby Fat appears as a name in 2 official Nintendo sources and Fat Yoshi appears as a name in 2 official Japanese Nintendo sources. Additionally, Moto Chibi Yoshi appears as a name in parenthesis for one of the 2 Japanese sources. [[User:Pizza Master/sandbox|My sandbox]] provides the sources for these claims. For simplicity's sake, I could create an article entitled Fat Yoshi and edit the Baby Fat redirect to redirect to Fat Yoshi instead of the Baby Yoshi article. Then I could replace what's currently in my sandbox with a different topic rather than mark it for deletion. --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 10:57, November 5, 2023 (EST)

==Split Baby Fat into its own article==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-2-0|Split Entire Character}}
Alright, time to make my case for Baby Fat being split into its own article official. My evidence as for why this should happen is the article, ''[[Luigi Bros.]]'' For a decade, the 'remake' was just a subsection of the Mario Bros. page. That is until recently, when it received its own page and a [[Luigi Bros.#Luigi Bros|new redirect]] to said page. The [[Mario Bros. (game)#Luigi Bros.|old redirect]] to the subsection within the [[Mario Bros. (game)|Mario Bros.]] article still exists. Additionally, the new article is exactly the same as the subsection save for the addition of a 'Names in other languages'. I made a [[User:Pizza Master/sandbox|sandbox page]] 8 months ago showing that Baby Fat/Fat Yoshi could easily have an article that contains more information than the ''Luigi Bros.'' page. And like the ''Luigi Bros.'' situation, the [[Baby Yoshi#Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|old redirect]] for the Baby Fat subsection of the Baby Yoshi article wouldn't have to be deleted or replaced either. Simply creating a new article and new redirect to the new article like with what happened with ''Luigi Bros.'' would suffice. Baby Fat like Luigi Bros. is clearly different enough from what they're based on to have their own article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support (Split entire character into its own article)===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} The fat Yoshi seems like a single, uniquely named character. I feel like it makes sense to include the entire life cycle in the article even if its baby form is "generic".
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} BEEEEEEEEG! ...ahem... Per all. Beeg is its own character.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} BABY FAT is too good of a name not to have an article for. Per all!!
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} Justice! For! Bay! Bee! FAT!!! per all
#{{User|Arend}} Now THIS is a meme that warrants its own article (since it's an actual character and all). I also agree with DrippingYellow that it'd be kinda weird to not include its baby self when it's the same character that only appeared in one game, it'd feel incomplete in this very specific case.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} has a name, a distinct appearance, and plays a role. that's a character baby
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} <s>[[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Enemies#Galoomba|Fat Yoshi is '''infinitely''' better than Pink Donkey Kong Jr. and if you disagree you are wrong.]]</s> Per proposal.

===Support (Split the grown version of the fat Yoshi into its own article)===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Doc's idea is pretty good.
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - I mean, it's odd to put a clearly grown Yoshi on this page anyway.

===Oppose (Keep as is as a subsection of the Baby Yoshi article)===

===Comments===
Does literally anything other than one specific old magazine give this guy a unique name? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:30, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

A japanese trading card calls them 'Chubby Yoshi' or 'Fat Yoshi'. ''Super Mario RPG: A Gift from the Starry Sky'' calls them Former Baby Yoshi. The name 'Baby Fat' is also used in an official player's guide. Also, though this is joking, the UK Nintendo Magazine System calls them 'Noshi'. So the article could go under any of those names. But Baby Fat or Fat Yoshi would fit best.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 17:40, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
:Hmm. I can see splitting the (grown) fat Yoshi from this page, but not the generic baby that it starts out as. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:55, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
Should I add splitting the grown fat yoshi as a proposal option?--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 18:01, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

Whichever way the proposal passes, I think "Baby Fat" is the only usable English-source name. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:04, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

Good point! It can stick as 'Baby Fat' regardless of if the proposal passes and however it does (if it does).--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 19:55, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

Could you clarify a bit with the two support options? One is called "Split entire character into its own article", and the other is "Split the grown version of the fat Yoshi into its own article". What, does that mean if the second Support option wins, that the infant version (you know, the version of this character that is actually named) has to remain on the Baby Yoshi page, when it's clearly the same character as the (more memetic) adult version? {{User:Arend/sig}} 22:46, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
:Well Baby Yoshi is already a separate page from standard Yoshi, even though in some games both are shown as the same character as well. And that's not even getting into Baby Mario and friends... Plus, he's only fat when he's not a baby, and is only a baby when he's not fat, so the name isn't great for either option. I just feel it makes the most sense to keep the generic Baby Yoshi on the Baby Yoshi page. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:14, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

Well, it's like Doc said and since the adult version is also called 'Former Baby Yoshi' then presumably the other names for the character like Fat Yoshi and Baby Fat would be for the adult version. Baby Fat just refers to excess fat which refers to how the adult version is well.. full of excess fat and the baby version becoming that way when they grow up into the adult version by the player feeding them too many cookies. It's also like how Adult Link and Young Link are seen as different characters despite being variations of the same character. --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 01:15, April 27, 2024 (EDT)

So basically support (entire character) is for both versions being split into the same article or you can vote support (grown fat yoshi) for just the adult version being split into its own article.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 01:18, April 27, 2024 (EDT)