Editing Talk:Baby DK

==Who is this?==
Is this the baby form of Cranky Kong or Donkey kong? When Mario was an adult Donkey kong was a baby so it has to be Cranky Kong. But I can't imagine that this ape who was a good friend of mario would kidnap mario's girlfriend oO

[[User:Poseidome|Poseidome]] 07:37, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

A lot of that is just baseless speculation. Heck, we don't even know which it is. But since his name is Baby '''Donkey Kong''', we just state it's the baby version of the current [[Donkey Kong]]. Best not to complicate things, because even the article is at war with itself on that question... o_o {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

Nintendo obviously didn't care too much on this topic. Donkey Kong Jr. is the current Donkey Kong, correct? But if DK Jr. is the current Donkey Kong, there's no way Baby DK should be the current Donkey Kong. Unless DK has two versions of himself, but that would be strange. Therefore Baby DK must be Cranky... [[User:Kobble|Kobble]]
No, Baby DK would be [[Donkey Kong Junior]].  [[User:Nintendofan146|Nintendofan146]] 18:24, 6 July 2008 (EDT)   

"DK is the most powerful of the babies" <- an opinion, isn't it? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 11:17, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
No, it's basically proven.[[User:Nintendofan146|Nintendofan146]] 18:25, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Can I... ==

Add the Mario Super Sluggers bios and stats, or are they copyrighted or something? '''''Toad08'''''

I definitly think this should be a nominee. what do ya guys think??  [[User:Tatlolou|Tatlolou]]

Why is this featured? [[Koopakid10]]

== Shorten? ==
As far as I know, he's only ever referred to as "Baby DK" in ''Yoshi's Island DS'' and ''Mario Super Sluggers''; I think "Baby Donkey Kong" only comes from a card game, but that's a low-priority source [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|from what I can tell]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:40, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
:While we could indeed shorten the article's name, it should be clear to most that "DK" stands for Donkey Kong, and the name of this article currently matches the name of the article of [[Donkey Kong|his adult counterpart]]. The article already states that he is usually called Baby DK, and I personally think that's enough. [[User:Lumastar|<span style="color:green">Lumastar</span>]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|<span style="color:blue>talk]]) [[Image: SMG GreenLuma.jpg|30px ]]
::Yeah, I agree with Lumastar. After all, he's the baby version of Donkey Kong, so I think giving him the full name is good enough. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:27, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

== Move to Baby DK ==

{{TPP}}
While the above discussion from almost a decade ago raised some understandable points for why this article is called "Baby Donkey Kong", this is inconsistent with how names generally work on this wiki. Neither game that this character appears in refers to him as "Baby Donkey Kong" in-game, and in-game names have higher priority than external names. Yes, "Baby Donkey Kong" ''is'' the full unabbreviated version of the name, but if it were standard practice to prioritize "full names" over more commonly used names, then I think some changes would have to be made regarding our coverage of [[Professor E. Gadd|Elvin]], [[Jimmy T|Mr. Thang]], and [[C. A. F. H. Bro|the Calm Amazing Flying Hammer Brother]].

'''Proposer''': {{User|JanMisali}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT

====Move to Baby DK====
#{{User|JanMisali}} As proposer.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} For consistency's sake. Given he's overwhelmingly just called Baby DK, it surprises us this wasn't changed sooner. The only reason that this seems to even be a thing is that "Baby Donkey Kong" was made first in August 2006 (a few months before the release of ''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]'', mind!), and "Baby DK" was merely made a redirect in December 2006.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per pp (short for per proposal)

====Keep as Baby Donkey Kong====

====Comments====
Should be noted that in above discussion, when LinkTheLefty said (ten years ago) that the full "Baby Donkey Kong" name only comes from a card game... well that "card game" is actually a bunch of collectible trading cards hosted by the ''official'' Mario Super Sluggers website at the time, which means that [[:File:Level1 Babydonkeykong Front.jpg|this]] and [[:File:Level1 Babydonkeykong Back.jpg|this]] are actually official profiles published by Nintendo themselves. He's also referred fully as "Baby Donkey Kong" [https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Games/Nintendo-DS/Yoshi-s-Island-DS-273630.html#Overview here], as well as [https://web.archive.org/web/20070610012057/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=XQCk5kOdgtln3936Qr44YJKirWBkHxzo here]. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:00, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
:Yes, that is ''an'' official name, but in-game names have priority over external names. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 13:13, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
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 == Move to Baby DK ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
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-{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-1|move}}
 While the above discussion from almost a decade ago raised some understandable points for why this article is called "Baby Donkey Kong", this is inconsistent with how names generally work on this wiki. Neither game that this character appears in refers to him as "Baby Donkey Kong" in-game, and in-game names have higher priority than external names. Yes, "Baby Donkey Kong" ''is'' the full unabbreviated version of the name, but if it were standard practice to prioritize "full names" over more commonly used names, then I think some changes would have to be made regarding our coverage of [[Professor E. Gadd|Elvin]], [[Jimmy T|Mr. Thang]], and [[C. A. F. H. Bro|the Calm Amazing Flying Hammer Brother]].
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 #{{User|Camwoodstock}} For consistency's sake. Given he's overwhelmingly just called Baby DK, it surprises us this wasn't changed sooner. The only reason that this seems to even be a thing is that "Baby Donkey Kong" was made first in August 2006 (a few months before the release of ''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]'', mind!), and "Baby DK" was merely made a redirect in December 2006.
 #{{User|EvieMaybe}} per pp (short for per proposal)
-#{{User|Hewer}} [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles|Consistency]], I suppose.
-#{{User|Nintendo101}} on some level, this is the more "valid" name for the character since this is what he is actually what he is referred to in the games he is in.
-#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per naming policy.
-#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - We also say "Baby Peach" and "Baby Daisy" rather than "Baby Princess Peach" and "Baby Princess Daisy," so it's consistent there too.
-#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
 ====Keep as Baby Donkey Kong====
-#{{User|DrBaskerville}} While Camwoodstock and Hewer have convincing points, I'm most moved by Arend's commentary in the comments.  "Baby Donkey Kong" ''is'' an official name per the sources Arend linked.  Whereas most will identify "DK" as "Donkey Kong", I think spelling out the full name makes the most sense.
 ====Comments====
 Should be noted that in above discussion, when LinkTheLefty said (ten years ago) that the full "Baby Donkey Kong" name only comes from a card game... well that "card game" is actually a bunch of collectible trading cards hosted by the ''official'' Mario Super Sluggers website at the time, which means that [[:File:Level1 Babydonkeykong Front.jpg|this]] and [[:File:Level1 Babydonkeykong Back.jpg|this]] are actually official profiles published by Nintendo themselves. He's also referred fully as "Baby Donkey Kong" [https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Games/Nintendo-DS/Yoshi-s-Island-DS-273630.html#Overview here], as well as [https://web.archive.org/web/20070610012057/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=XQCk5kOdgtln3936Qr44YJKirWBkHxzo here]. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:00, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
 :Yes, that is ''an'' official name, but in-game names have priority over external names. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 13:13, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
-:One thing I find interesting is that the bio for Baby DK lists the name as Baby DK even though all the other mentions of him on the card say Baby Donkey Kong. It's not like the description was pulled from the game either, because that just uses short sentences to describe each character. [[User:BMfan08|BMfan08]] ([[User talk:BMfan08|talk]]) 15:10, June 8, 2024 (EDT)
-{{@|DrBaskerville}} To be clear, I'm not in any way arguing that "Baby Donkey Kong" is an ''un''official name. It is, however, stated unambiguously in [[MarioWiki:NAME]] that an in-game name for a subject is the highest priority source for what the article should be called. Saying that the name is used on a trading card and a website and that these come "from Nintendo" doesn't override the fact that this is a character who has appeared in exactly two video games and that both of these video games call the character "Baby DK". {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 18:04, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
-:: I understand your position, and you're right the in-game name should normally take precedence, but in a case like this, where there's a disparity between a character that is established as a younger version of the same character, I think its acceptable to use the full name of its counterpart since it is more descriptive and not inaccurate.  I think it just boils down to a difference of opinion, which is fine to have.  --{{User:DrBaskerville/sig}} 18:39, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
-:::Why would a disparity with Donkey Kong matter? Should [[Baby Peach]] be Baby [[Princess Peach]]? And somewhat similarly, [[Mini-Mario]] is hyphenated but [[Mini Luigi]] and the others aren't,  [[Jimmy T]] has no punctuation unlike [[Jimmy P.]]. All of these characters are using their most recent and in-game names, regardless of any "disparity". {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:05, June 8, 2024 (EDT)