Editing Talk:Axem Rangers

==Separate articles==
Each Axem Ranger, as an individual character, deserves an article. They do act independently - each has their own stats and attacks. The articles will not be merged, and it's not a big deal that they are seperate but shorter. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

:I agreee they should be kept seperate. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]
::You know what's funny? It actually IS a big deal that they are short and will never be more than a stub. If you can't make the articles larger without adding guide content, then how are you going to validate them having an article? On top of that, I did indeed consult with Wayoshi, who appears to be of importance in the community of the Super Mario Wiki. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:17, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

:::Yes but so is Son of Suns and I, and we both appear to oppose this merge, there is potential here. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]
::::Question is, will you bother to exercise that potential? On top of that, focus on forming some criteria for inclusion. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:20, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Guide content is fine as long as it is official. Those articles have potential. And Wayoshi does not speak for the entire wiki - he is one member of a greater community. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:Why is it fine? This isn't a guide. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:20, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

::The Mariowiki is a knowlege base contain all sorts of iinformation as long as its true. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]
:::So would it be appropriate to assess the difficulty of the Axem Rangers? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:24, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

::::Only if an ''official'' guide did. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::Not even then. If someone feels that it's not difficult, what should be done? A guide is only good as a source for certain facts - any mention of difficulty is the opinion of one writer. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:27, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

::::::Nintendo did not have to release such opinions or information, but they did. It is the opinon of Nintendo as a whole, not one writer. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::It is not as if Iwata looks over the guides NoA makes. It's no different from one staff member's review in NP. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:31, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::It still is officially created by Nintendo, regardless of who approves it. If Nintendo wanted to control such information, they would. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::::That's "if". They don't. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:34, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::::They don't want to, but they ''could''. They want to be affiliated with the opinions of these writers. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::::::So does this mean that we should say that Super Mario Strikers is merely a seven in quality because that's what it scored in NP? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:40, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
We could include it in the article somewhere. "Nintendo Power gave this game a seven". -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:But if it was NP, it would be official, so we would have to address it as the official opinion of Nintendo. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:45, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Note that NP is not the only official Nintendo magazine, duh.
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]
:And are you saying that NoA-published guides are the only Nintendo-made guides in the world? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 20:59, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

I apologize for incorrectly giving the "go-ahead" light to a Link to the Past when I knew little about the game. Consensus says they'll be separate, and so they shall be. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 16:15, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
:For no reason, they shall be separate. Is there a single reason why this Wiki should be about having a lot of articles, but with the majority of them being extremely minor, insignificant, and tiny. Instead of having long, interesting, fleshed-out articles, we demand of the reader to go to thousands of pages to get all relevant information. Nothing is lost when merged, and nothing can be added to the Axem articles otherwise. Separate, they are infinitely stubs and will never be able to be expanded. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 20:59, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

::Except they can be expanded if someone so desires. What about all the special attacks, their roles in the capture of the Star Piece, strategy recommended by Nintendo Power, personality traits, number of attacks per round, among other pieces of information. Plus, what's the difference between one article with a bunch of sections and five articles with different information. They all have the same information. It's not like users have to search for more information, links are provided for them. There is easy access to the information. Why does an article have to be long to be good? Even the smallest article can be interesting. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::Merging makes one article longer, and thus creates more room for expansion. Several short articles will be, for the readers, just scanning a sentence or two and then moving onto the next. Are you saying that one longer article with more information is worse than several smaller articles with less information? It's more convenient to the reader to have articles put together as one, it's more informative, and it makes it longer. The way I see it, most people want the articles to remain articles because they're A. in charge, B. they like it, and/or C. to amass a ton of articles. Fun to have a lot of articles, but it's a lot more fun to have a more informative, more convenient, long article. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:15, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::That's your opinion. One long article is better than smaller ones. Maybe others don't feel that way. You have to respect that. I'm not saying a longer article is worse, and I'm not saying its better. They are just two different ways of representing information. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::Stubs vs. long, informative articles is a no-brainer. Besides wringing the Axem Rangers dry of any information that could possibly be added to the articles, there's nothing to add. Really, this article is set up as an encyclopedia, not a strategy guide. Giving game strategies is not encyclopedic. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:21, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::Well maybe in Mario's world it is. ;) -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== "Teenage" members of the Smity Gang ==

Did any in-game info state they were teenaged? I mean, it can be assumed, but it's not really canon until we have a source for that kind of info. {{user:Leirin/sig}} Leirin 16:24, 26 February 2009 (EST)
:I think they are teenagers. The Power Rangers are... [[User:R.O.B 128|□R.O.B. 128□]] 16:34, 26 February 2009 (EST)

::They are called "teenagers" by the official Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Nintendo Player's Guide.  I'll add the reference to the article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:::Okay, thanks for clarifying that. I am player's guide-less, but I had a feeling Nintendo has said they were somewhere. {{user:Leirin/sig}} Leirin 12:25, 28 February 2009 (EST)

== Battle ==

You actually do fight the Rangers, not just Blade. [[User:StarWolf|StarWolf]] ([[User talk:StarWolf|talk]]) 15:28, 30 November 2016 (EST)

== Full Japanese name ==
Apparently, their full name in Japanese is Kajio Sentai Onoranger, literally Smith King Sentai Axe Rangers. Can someone add in the full Japanese name into the naming section? I can't do it because I don't even have access to the Japanese characters for their name, just the Romanji. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 21:32, July 25, 2023 (EDT)
:The only source that I'm aware does it is the blue ASCII guide, in which there's a "logo" that looks like it's styled after a certain sentai show on page 124. It has the text<small>「<font color="yellow">鍛冶王戦隊</font>」</small>above and<big>「<font color="red">オノレンジャー</font>」</big>below. In the actual game, Yellow says「我等、カジオー　せんたい！」and then the next line is the group saying「オノ　レンジャー！！」in unison.「オノレンジャー」also shows up in one of the late-game quiz questions. Now is it possible that ''Kajiō Sentai'' was supposed to be part of their name? Maybe, like how the Mushroom Castle/Kingdom town seems to be a consequence of text space. But since there's a remake coming out, I think we can afford to wait and see if it expands the text space to provide more clarity. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:58, July 25, 2023 (EDT)
::Decided to add it in in the meantime. That said... for some reason my attempt at adding in a second line ended up messing up the table. May need to figure out how to fix it. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 10:04, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
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 :The only source that I'm aware does it is the blue ASCII guide, in which there's a "logo" that looks like it's styled after a certain sentai show on page 124. It has the text<small>「<font color="yellow">鍛冶王戦隊</font>」</small>above and<big>「<font color="red">オノレンジャー</font>」</big>below. In the actual game, Yellow says「我等、カジオー　せんたい！」and then the next line is the group saying「オノ　レンジャー！！」in unison.「オノレンジャー」also shows up in one of the late-game quiz questions. Now is it possible that ''Kajiō Sentai'' was supposed to be part of their name? Maybe, like how the Mushroom Castle/Kingdom town seems to be a consequence of text space. But since there's a remake coming out, I think we can afford to wait and see if it expands the text space to provide more clarity. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:58, July 25, 2023 (EDT)
 ::Decided to add it in in the meantime. That said... for some reason my attempt at adding in a second line ended up messing up the table. May need to figure out how to fix it. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 10:04, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
-::Okay, fixed the issue. Still need to know what the title for the blue ASCII guide is so I can cite it. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 10:12, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
-:::I'll describe the guide situation in more detail. There are two ASCII guidebooks, and they seem to be the most known of the Japanese ''Super Mario RPG'' guides due to their presentation and artwork. Sometimes, Japanese guidebooks were split between parts, and in this case, it's between a general walkthrough and advanced tips. The blue one is the first:「スーパーマリオＲＰＧ　星空からのおくりもの」released April 12, 1996; the yellow one is the second:「スーパーマリオＲＰＧ　裏テクニックガイド」released June 15, 1996. The latter can be found online [https://archive.org/details/supermariorpgguide here] - I'll have to describe the relevant page in the first since I can no longer find any public scans. It's a stylistic red page that looks like a poster, not resembling any other page in the guide. You have a "logo" at the top as mentioned, Blade on the left, and Pink, Black, Red, Green, and Yellow in descending order, all six with descriptions and more sentai "subtitles" above each denoting their role. The thing is, this is the ''only'' source I'm aware of with those gag subtitles - it's not even in the second guide - and there's a little problem with this source on top of that. Aspect's ASCII guides (and Shueisha's V Jump guide, for that matter), while dropping a basic copyright, do '''not''' give any sort of [[User talk:Mister Wu#Non-Kōshiki Japanese guides|supervisory credit]] to Nintendo (or Square). The only guide that lists a collaboration credit is Shogakukan's Final Edition, originally released May 10, 1996, which includes「協力　平田裕介（スクウェア）」(Yusuke Hirata, who is [[list of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars staff#Publicity|credited]] in the game). As such, I'm not sure how good these guides are as sources for the wiki, outside of maybe the supplied artwork. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:34, July 26, 2023 (EDT)