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| I feel that they should get seperate articles. (Yes, I signed with my full username.) -Dodo | | I feel that they should get seperate articles. (Yes, I signed with my full username.) -Dodo |
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| I think that both the Assist Trophies and Pokemon are worthy of seperate articles. This isn't Wikipedia, which has a super strict "importance policy". Sure, we have an importance policy of our own, but if you [[SMW:FOCUS|read it]] go down to the "Penalties" section, you'll find, in bold text: '''Also, there are no article limits for any area of focus. ''' - [[User: Booster|Booster]]. | | I think that both the Assist Trophies and Pokemon are worthy of seperate articles. This isn't Wikipedia, which has a super strict "importance policy". Sure, we have an importance policy of our own, but if you [[MW:FOCUS|read it]] go down to the "Penalties" section, you'll find, in bold text: '''Also, there are no article limits for any area of focus. ''' - [[User: Booster|Booster]]. |
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| Then maybe you should vote...{{User:Knife/sig}} 17:20, 16 July 2007 (EDT) | | Then maybe you should vote...{{User:Knife/sig}} 17:20, 16 July 2007 (EDT) |
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| :Oh dear goodness, you're right. This is likely to be higher rated. Or, they just couldn't care anymore :P We'll soon see. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | | :Oh dear goodness, you're right. This is likely to be higher rated. Or, they just couldn't care anymore :P We'll soon see. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} |
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| ::They might take him out of the American version. Or they'll rate the game "M". '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' I see nothing wrong with an M rating... | | ::They might take him out of the American version. Or they'll rate the game "M". http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif I see nothing wrong with an M rating... |
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| I don't think one demon will make the whole game rated M.{{User:Knife/sig}} 14:35, 14 August 2007 (EDT) Although [[Zero Suit Samus]] might. | | I don't think one demon will make the whole game rated M.{{User:Knife/sig}} 14:35, 14 August 2007 (EDT) Although [[Zero Suit Samus]] might. |
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| Why is the image for the Devil a shot of his trophy instead of a gameplay-related screenshot, like for the other Assist Trophies? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:30, 8 December 2008 (EST) | | Why is the image for the Devil a shot of his trophy instead of a gameplay-related screenshot, like for the other Assist Trophies? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:30, 8 December 2008 (EST) |
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| == Split all Assist Trophies into separate articles ==
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|1-9|no split}}
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| If you look a few headers above, you will see another proposal like this one that failed. But each of the assist trophies deserve their own article. First of all, they're items, and I never saw items being merged together. Second, we've made articles on stuff more minor then assist trophies, like items only gotten in a small side quest ([[Wrestling Mag]]) and items that have a one-time use ([[Elevator Key]]), so I don't see how come all of the assist trophies don't have an article. Not the best reasons, but I'm something will be worked out.
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| '''Proposer:''' {{User|Reversinator}}<br>
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| '''Deadline:''' 28 January 2010, 17:00
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| <div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Split Assist Trophies</div>
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| #{{User|Reversinator}} Per proposal.
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| <div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Keep as it is</div>
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| #{{User|Knife}} - All of the assist trophies are categorized under one item, therefore they should remain on one article. I see no advantage to splitting them.
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| #{{User|Cobold}} - I agree with Knife.
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| #{{User|Supermariofan14}} - Splitting them would cause stubs.
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| #{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per Supermariofan14. Spliting them all will destroy a FA.
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| #{{User|Gamefreak75}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
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| #{{User|Garlic Man}} - Per all.
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| #{{User|Pseudo-dino}} It's like creating a seperate page for each color Toad.
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| #{{User|M&SG}} - Are you kidding me?! A lot of the Assist Trophies don't even need their own article. Unless the Assist Trophy is part of the Mario Universe, forget it.
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| <div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Comments</div>
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| They are not on individual articles because they have the same appearance when you pick them up, just like all the [[Pokémon]], would you have those split as well? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 08:53, 14 January 2010 (EST)
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| Someone needs to archive this. {{User|I will help the mariowiki a lot}}
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| ==Waluigi==
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| Waluigi is not apart of the wario series, for he never appeared there.
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| :I think he made a cameo as a floating head in the background of something... but that's the extent of his appearances in the series. {{User:Super Mario Bros./sig}} 03:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
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| == Mr. Resetti ==
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| Is there any other way to get rid of Mr. Resetti besides the destruction/movement of the stage? {{User|Why Bother}}
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| ==Melee Trophy Descriptions==
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| I personally think including the Melee trophy information for the Assist Trophies in Brawl is highly irrelevant. Assist Trophies first appeared in Brawl. There is no relation between the trophies in Melee and the Assist trophies in Brawl. Even a category in Brawl lists the Assist Trophies by their category. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:45, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
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| :Yes, the trophies from Melee aren't relevant to the actual concept of Assist Trophies. However, that's not the point. These trophies are of characters that appear in Assist Trophies. That's the entire reason for including Trophies in lists; because of the characters. [[Radio conversation characters]] list trophies for all the characters that have them, [[Pokémon]] lists every trophy of every Pokemon, and I'm sure there are other examples. It doesn't matter that the trophies of Melee were from before they were included in assist trophies, they are still trophies of the characters, and thus, deserve to be listed. Heck, by your logic, we should also be deleting all of the Brawl trophies excluding the one specifically about Assist Trophies. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
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| ::Those articles shouldn't have trophy descriptions in the first place. It has nothing to do with the subject of the article and the only reason it is included is that only the characters are relevant. Assist Trophy is supposed to describe the characters that come out and do their thing. If it's the characters that you're worried about, the trophy descriptions for games that has no relation to Assist Trophies should be for their respective articles, not this one. Pokemon are Pokemon, they are not the same as Assist Trophies. It's like adding Pokemon to the Poke Ball article. And I backed up my reasoning on the Brawl Assist Trophies; I said it should remain because they are categorized in the game under "items" or "assist trophies" (my memory doesn't serve well). {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:01, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
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| :::Your main point of argument is that the trophies should solely be related to the concept of "Assist Trophies" (and for the record, the characters are classified under Assist Trophy), but... aren't the characters themselves part of this concept? Assist Trophies are meant for spawning certain characters, but who are these characters? Jeff, Waluigi, Andross, Tingle, Samurai Goroh, and all of the other people are what make up an Assist Trophy. They're just as relevant to the concept of an Assist Trophy as the item themselves. The same goes for those other two articles I mentioned: the radio conversations and the Pokemon would be nothing without the characters that make them up. That is precisely why we should include all related trophies. At this point, we're just battering each other with walls, should one of us make a proposal? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
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| ::::Yeah, I agree on a proposal. I'm pretty burnt out from arguing anyway (not just here). {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:38, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
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| :::::Then we'll settle this with a proposal. So, which of us should create it? I'm burnt out myself from a bunch of work I've been doing. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
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| ::::::I'll work on it. I'm free myself {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:48, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
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| ==Remove Melee Trophy Descriptions in [[Assist Trophy]]==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|8-3|remove}}
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| Recently, {{User|Time Turner}} and I had a debate on whether to keep the Melee trophy descriptions in the article. We both present good arguments but we would like to settle this once and for all with a vote from the users. I for would like to remove the trophy descriptions Assist Trophy since the article is talking about the item itself rather than the characters involved in it. The only reason I'd keep the Brawl ones is that the game categorizes the trophies under "Items" or "Assist Trophies" (don't remember exactly) so therefore it should be covered.
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| Don't worry about consistency with other articles that suffer a similar situation (ie [[Radio conversation characters]]), they will be dealt with if the proposal passes.
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| '''Proposer''': {{user|Baby Luigi}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': October 10, 2013, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Remove===
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| #{{User|Baby Luigi}} I removed this before with the same reasons. I personally think Melee trophy descriptions for a feature that first appeared in Brawl is simply just drawing a thin line of relation just because the characters are the same.
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| #{{User|Scr7}} I have to agree with Baby Luigi here. The page is talking about the assist trophy item itself, so there's no reason to include trophy descriptions from a game that doesn't even have the item.
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| #{{User|Icemario11}} Per all.
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| #{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} It's probably unfair that most things my sister argues on, I agree with it, but I think the Assist Trophy trophy information from ''Melee'' in this article is superfluous and probably serves better in the individual articles rather than this one.
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| #{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Baby Luigi.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} I'm gonna have to go with removing them on this. The point of the Assist Trophy article is to explain the effects of each individual Assist, not mainly to focus on the characters themselves so we don't need to place trophies from Melee here as well, Brawl's are good enough. That and per Baby Luigi.
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| #{{User|Yoshi876}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} Unneeded.
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| #{{User|Time Turner}} Per everything that I've said in support of keeping the table.
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| #{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per Time Turner.
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| #{{User|Tucayo}} - Per GD.
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| ==Change the smash symbols next to the name for characters from non-playable franchises to the new ellipsis==
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| Currently, the names listed for each assist trophy contains a series symbol next to their name (for example, Waluigi has a mushroom for the Mario franchise). However, a fair chunk of these assist trophies hail from series that don’t have a stage or a playable character represented; thus, they currently use a smash bros cross logo next to their name. While this icon was used for miscellaneous content in ''for 3DS and for Wii U'', it is no longer the case. The closest thing they have to a series icon is an ellipsis (...) as of Ultimate, being used for their spirits during team setup (but not when viewing them in the spirit list), as well as several songs representing said series being listed with said ellipsis.
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| It should be noted that Smashwiki currently uses an entirely different symbol because the admins are in agreement because according to them, it would cause readability issues, which is an entirely valid point (as much as I hate the one the choice they currently use). However, unlike Smashwiki, Mariowiki is focused on making things official, so using their symbol they use might thankfully be out of the question. Still gonna leave this up for discussion if anybody supports it.
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| Another thing I’d like to note is that the page for [Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]] lists assist characters in that game, but completely forgoes any sort of icon for assist characters from franchises without a playable character. So we should probably make it consistent, and wichever solution we find for this should probably be reflected for that page as well. [[Special:Contributions/184.181.102.188|184.181.102.188]] 04:49, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Remove Featured Status? ==
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| Because SO MUCH of the Assist Trophy information has been removed (the information on the non-''Mario'' characters that can appear has been moved to [[List of Assist Trophy characters|this page]]), what will happen to the Featured status of this article? I think it's too short to stay featured, and most of the information is now moved. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 14:38, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I think it can stay featured from how well it already covers ''Super Mario'' content. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 14:39, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::It does cover it well. It was just something on my mind. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 14:40, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::These list pages are a good compromise, since the main article allows for significantly better accessibility to ''Super Mario'' content, and the list pages has all of the other information, subject to a possible later proposal. I don't think trimming non-''Super Mario'' content should have any bearing on the article's featured status. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 14:41, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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