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While I don't know about licensed guides for later games, these things to seem to be fairly consistently just called "switch" in firsthand sources in both English and Japanese. Should we move this in light of that? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:50, April 11, 2020 (EDT) | While I don't know about licensed guides for later games, these things to seem to be fairly consistently just called "switch" in firsthand sources in both English and Japanese. Should we move this in light of that? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:50, April 11, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:It's called "! Switch" in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' manual, though... {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:20, April 11, 2020 (EDT) | :It's called "! Switch" in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' manual, though... {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:20, April 11, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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== Merge Purple Switch here, split Cap Switch, or both == | == Merge Purple Switch here, split Cap Switch, or both == | ||
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A month ago, there was [[Talk:Purple Switch#Merge to ! Switch (proposal edition)|a proposal]] that attempted to merge the [[Purple Switch]] from ''Super Mario 64'' with this article. It ended with no consensus, with opposers arguing that they had a unique name, design, and function from the Cap Switches, which ''are'' currently merged here. | A month ago, there was [[Talk:Purple Switch#Merge to ! Switch (proposal edition)|a proposal]] that attempted to merge the [[Purple Switch]] from ''Super Mario 64'' with this article. It ended with no consensus, with opposers arguing that they had a unique name, design, and function from the Cap Switches, which ''are'' currently merged here. | ||
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#{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal. | #{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per before. | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per before. | ||
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#{{User|Tails777}} The way I see it, Purple Switches are basically just normal switches; you step on them and they activate something, just like typical PM switches (or any switch for that matter). Cap Switches, on the other hand, have one specific use and that's to activate the various colored ! Blocks. They're not like the average switch, which activates something relevant to where the switch itself is located. So I feel Cap Switches can be split, but Purple Switches can be merged. | #{{User|Tails777}} The way I see it, Purple Switches are basically just normal switches; you step on them and they activate something, just like typical PM switches (or any switch for that matter). Cap Switches, on the other hand, have one specific use and that's to activate the various colored ! Blocks. They're not like the average switch, which activates something relevant to where the switch itself is located. So I feel Cap Switches can be split, but Purple Switches can be merged. | ||
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all. | #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all. | ||
====Do nothing==== | ====Do nothing==== | ||
#{{User|Hewer}} These switch proposals are really starting to confuse me. The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch, and the Purple Switch is a variant with a different name, appearance, and function, just like all the other variants of objects and enemies we have split. The name not being very good and the item having multiple functions doesn't at all point to it being the same as the ! Switch. Also, per the opposition of the last proposal. | #{{User|Hewer}} These switch proposals are really starting to confuse me. The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch, and the Purple Switch is a variant with a different name, appearance, and function, just like all the other variants of objects and enemies we have split. The name not being very good and the item having multiple functions doesn't at all point to it being the same as the ! Switch. Also, per the opposition of the last proposal. | ||
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@Hewer: "The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch." Did you just cite the ''wiki itself'' as evidence as if it were an official source? That's not a valid argument. You can't just claim that they are the same and should remain merged purely because "the article says so", especially when part of the proposal's point is ''challenging'' that statement. That's like citing Wikipedia. This wiki also claimed that [[? Mushroom]] and [[Reverse Mushroom]] were [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Items#Reverse Mushroom| the same thing]] for the longest time, but that doesn't make it true. You're also reciting the same "name, design, and function" mantra as before when none of those things actually set Purple Switches apart (Cap Switches also have a unique name, and from a higher-priority source at that, and ! Switches don't have a consistent design or function). {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:22, November 12, 2021 (EST) | @Hewer: "The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch." Did you just cite the ''wiki itself'' as evidence as if it were an official source? That's not a valid argument. You can't just claim that they are the same and should remain merged purely because "the article says so", especially when part of the proposal's point is ''challenging'' that statement. That's like citing Wikipedia. This wiki also claimed that [[? Mushroom]] and [[Reverse Mushroom]] were [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Items#Reverse Mushroom| the same thing]] for the longest time, but that doesn't make it true. You're also reciting the same "name, design, and function" mantra as before when none of those things actually set Purple Switches apart (Cap Switches also have a unique name, and from a higher-priority source at that, and ! Switches don't have a consistent design or function). {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:22, November 12, 2021 (EST) | ||
:I never said the wiki was an official source; in case it wasn't obvious, I was checking the article for information because I haven't played enough of SM64 to encounter any Cap Switches and am not aware of any differences they may have. Given neither the article we're trying to improve nor either of the proposals have explained at all how the Cap Switch is different from the ! Switch beyond 'oh it has a name', I somewhat doubt that there are enough differences to split it. Also, the reason I was talking about the name, appearance and function thing was because that's essentially the basis of every split and merge on the wiki. If they have a different name, a different function and a different appearance, chances are they're different. Purple Switches differ in all three of these aspects (including in a game where ! Switches also appear, so ! Switches differing between games is not relevant). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 06:52, November 13, 2021 (EST) | :I never said the wiki was an official source; in case it wasn't obvious, I was checking the article for information because I haven't played enough of SM64 to encounter any Cap Switches and am not aware of any differences they may have. Given neither the article we're trying to improve nor either of the proposals have explained at all how the Cap Switch is different from the ! Switch beyond 'oh it has a name', I somewhat doubt that there are enough differences to split it. Also, the reason I was talking about the name, appearance and function thing was because that's essentially the basis of every split and merge on the wiki. If they have a different name, a different function and a different appearance, chances are they're different. Purple Switches differ in all three of these aspects (including in a game where ! Switches also appear, so ! Switches differing between games is not relevant). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 06:52, November 13, 2021 (EST) | ||
