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| While I don't know about licensed guides for later games, these things to seem to be fairly consistently just called "switch" in firsthand sources in both English and Japanese. Should we move this in light of that? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:50, April 11, 2020 (EDT) | | While I don't know about licensed guides for later games, these things to seem to be fairly consistently just called "switch" in firsthand sources in both English and Japanese. Should we move this in light of that? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:50, April 11, 2020 (EDT) |
| :It's called "! Switch" in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' manual, though... {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:20, April 11, 2020 (EDT) | | :It's called "! Switch" in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' manual, though... {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:20, April 11, 2020 (EDT) |
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| == Merge Purple Switch here, split Cap Switch, or both == | | == Merge Purple Switch here, split Cap Switch, or both == |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{TPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|4-1-11-5|Merge Purple Switch and split Cap Switch}}
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| A month ago, there was [[Talk:Purple Switch#Merge to ! Switch (proposal edition)|a proposal]] that attempted to merge the [[Purple Switch]] from ''Super Mario 64'' with this article. It ended with no consensus, with opposers arguing that they had a unique name, design, and function from the Cap Switches, which ''are'' currently merged here. | | A month ago, there was [[Talk:Purple Switch#Merge to ! Switch (proposal edition)|a proposal]] that attempted to merge the [[Purple Switch]] from ''Super Mario 64'' with this article. It ended with no consensus, with opposers arguing that they had a unique name, design, and function from the Cap Switches, which ''are'' currently merged here. |
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| #{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal. | | #{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal. |
| #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per before. | | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per before. |
| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} My preferred option '''if''' the resulting Cap Switch article wouldn't jointly cover ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario 64 DS''; otherwise, see below.
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| #{{User|DannyTheDingo}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} The way I see it, Purple Switches are basically just normal switches; you step on them and they activate something, just like typical PM switches (or any switch for that matter). Cap Switches, on the other hand, have one specific use and that's to activate the various colored ! Blocks. They're not like the average switch, which activates something relevant to where the switch itself is located. So I feel Cap Switches can be split, but Purple Switches can be merged. | | #{{User|Tails777}} The way I see it, Purple Switches are basically just normal switches; you step on them and they activate something, just like typical PM switches (or any switch for that matter). Cap Switches, on the other hand, have one specific use and that's to activate the various colored ! Blocks. They're not like the average switch, which activates something relevant to where the switch itself is located. So I feel Cap Switches can be split, but Purple Switches can be merged. |
| #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all. | | #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all. |
| #{{User|Blinker}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Somethingone}} Per all.
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| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Purple Switches are named generically in Japanese (matching earlier appearances of ! Switch), seem to be named somewhat generically in internal assets (to correct myself, "han" isn't diminutive of "hatena" since it's also applied to lift objects in source), better fits along the lines of ! Switches in most games, and the name just doesn't look to be used in any other sources. While Cap Switches (which do have a unique name in ''Super Mario 64'') are similar to the ''Super Mario World'' ones, I'm all for it as a special article that also covers the symbol-flipped ''Super Mario 64 DS'' equivalent, and subsequently it may be better to do this with the colored Cap Blocks as well in the spirit of [[Talk:Keronpa Ball|other]] [[Template talk:SM64 missions|proposal]]s, per my thoughts below.
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| #{{User|OhoJeeOnFire}} Yeah, the cap switches are different and the purple switch is exactly the same as a normal switch.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
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| #{{User|DannyTheDingo}} Per all. Purple Switch is perfectly in line with the other ! Switch iterations, functionally and visually. And as said before, it's more convenient to have Cap Switch info from both games in one place, instead of being meaninglessly divided for the symbols they have, so please do that if this passes.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} These switch proposals are really starting to confuse me. The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch, and the Purple Switch is a variant with a different name, appearance, and function, just like all the other variants of objects and enemies we have split. The name not being very good and the item having multiple functions doesn't at all point to it being the same as the ! Switch. Also, per the opposition of the last proposal. | | #{{User|Hewer}} These switch proposals are really starting to confuse me. The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch, and the Purple Switch is a variant with a different name, appearance, and function, just like all the other variants of objects and enemies we have split. The name not being very good and the item having multiple functions doesn't at all point to it being the same as the ! Switch. Also, per the opposition of the last proposal. |
| #{{User|Ray Trace}} "Purple Switch" is still a valid name for this switch in ''Super Mario 64 DS'' as its hue is still in the violet range; main reason this article is split is its unique name alongside its separate functionality from the Cap Switch, both functions we take into account rather than list them separately. Plus I think a proposal to split the Cap Switch is a worse decision than merely merging the Purple Switch as it splits hairs as they do retain their domed design from prior games.
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| #{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
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| ====Comments==== | | ====Comments==== |
| @Hewer: "The article itself seems to say that Cap Switch is just SM64's name for the ! Switch." Did you just cite the ''wiki itself'' as evidence as if it were an official source? That's not a valid argument. You can't just claim that they are the same and should remain merged purely because "the article says so", especially when part of the proposal's point is ''challenging'' that statement. That's like citing Wikipedia. This wiki also claimed that [[? Mushroom]] and [[Reverse Mushroom]] were [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Items#Reverse Mushroom| the same thing]] for the longest time, but that doesn't make it true. You're also reciting the same "name, design, and function" mantra as before when none of those things actually set Purple Switches apart (Cap Switches also have a unique name, and from a higher-priority source at that, and ! Switches don't have a consistent design or function). {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:22, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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| :I never said the wiki was an official source; in case it wasn't obvious, I was checking the article for information because I haven't played enough of SM64 to encounter any Cap Switches and am not aware of any differences they may have. Given neither the article we're trying to improve nor either of the proposals have explained at all how the Cap Switch is different from the ! Switch beyond 'oh it has a name', I somewhat doubt that there are enough differences to split it. Also, the reason I was talking about the name, appearance and function thing was because that's essentially the basis of every split and merge on the wiki. If they have a different name, a different function and a different appearance, chances are they're different. Purple Switches differ in all three of these aspects (including in a game where ! Switches also appear, so ! Switches differing between games is not relevant). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 06:52, November 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::Cap Switches are dedicated to activating blocks containing the different cap power-ups. Purple switches activate lots of different things depending on the location used. That's the main difference between them. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 07:00, November 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::Don't look too different to me. Also, as I've said before, their near universal functionality is how the !-marked "switches" act in SMW2. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:25, November 13, 2021 (EST)
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| :::That comparison is between different games. When the Purple Switch and ! Switch appear in the same game as each other, they look and function differently to each other. It's somewhat comparable to [[Green Pokey]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 15:46, November 14, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::Neither "Purple Switch" nor "Cap Switch" are officially labeled "! Switch," by the way. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:52, November 15, 2021 (EST)
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| :I was going to say that Cap Switch is too similar to the original ''Super Mario World'' depiction of ! Switch, but then I remembered ''Super Mario 64 DS'' and how the remaining red one was changed to a ? Switch with the same function. If a Cap Switch split option passes, can we expect it to cover the red ? Switch from ''Super Mario 64 DS'' as well, keeping coverage in a more convenient spot? It would align with the proposal [[Template talk:SM64 missions|here]], although that was regarding courses, not objects. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:58, November 15, 2021 (EST)
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| ::That's still technically the same thing, so I would think so. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:18, November 15, 2021 (EST)
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| :::It's directly called "? Switch" in-game though...unlike Cap Switch, which is just "[generic color identifier] switch." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:49, November 15, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::''Super Mario 64'''s ! Switch is called both the proper name "Cap Switch" (アイテムスイッチ) and generic name "switch" (スイッチ) in-game. I think keeping the ''Super Mario 64'' Cap Switch and ''Super Mario 64 DS'' ? Switch together matches our current coverage better, though. It makes linkage across the wiki cleaner since they're exactly the same as before, just with the symbol arbitrarily swapped around, and we can simply use <nowiki>{{main}}</nowiki> for the ''Super Mario 64'' / ''Super Mario 64 DS'' section in the ! Switch and ? Switch articles, respectively. Otherwise, I don't really see the point in splitting Cap Switch if the ''Super Mario 64 DS'' equivalent gets to stay in the ? Switch article. For that matter, supposing Cap Switch splits, we can also give the same treatment to "Cap Block" (アイテムブロック). Same thing happened there, with the unique different-colored ! Blocks being replaced by red ? Blocks. It would make describing them in level articles and the like more concise. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:40, November 15, 2021 (EST)
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| :::::I ''would'' like to get away from using the symbol as the sole determinant, ''Sunshine''{{'}}s coin-spawning switches need to go somewhere. Maybe at some point we could consider splitting ! Switch and generic switches, some of which have the ! symbol. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:10, November 15, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::::I'll take note to look into whether there's a unique name for those in one of the ''Sunshine'' guides at some point. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:52, November 17, 2021 (EST)
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| Just checking, is there a reason the [[:File:BodySlamBIS.png|giant switches]] that Bowser can Body Slam in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'' aren't listed here? They are pink switches with !s on them that make different things happen when pressed. The design is also extremely similar to how they look in ''64'' and ''64 DS''. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 15:22, June 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| Information added to the page! {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 15:34, December 20, 2024 (EST)
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