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Past discussions of the troll Peachycakes/Daisygirl: [[User talk:Daisygirl]], [[User talk:Peachycakes75689]]. | Past discussions of the troll Peachycakes/Daisygirl: [[User talk:Daisygirl]], [[User talk:Peachycakes75689]]. | ||
You actually talk? Anyway if you're so focused on Super Princess Daisy why don't you find a link to website with proof. You say it will be released next year in your articles yet how can there be no other similiar info on the web. We may reinsert this link when it does come out(which is improbable) but for now can you please stop with Super Daisy stuff?--[[User: | You actually talk? Anyway if you're so focused on Super Princess Daisy why don't you find a link to website with proof. You say it will be released next year in your articles yet how can there be no other similiar info on the web. We may reinsert this link when it does come out(which is improbable) but for now can you please stop with Super Daisy stuff?--[[User:Spike|Spike]][[Image:Spike_sheild_badge.PNG]] | ||
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==Willy on Wheels vandal== | ==Willy on Wheels vandal== | ||
This vandal is most likely a Wookieepedia vandal as well, because "Silly Dan" is the name of one of the Administrators there. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image: | This vandal is most likely a Wookieepedia vandal as well, because "Silly Dan" is the name of one of the Administrators there. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 20:42, 7 January 2007 (EST) | ||
It's possible that ge took the name and isn't really HIM. But if that's him then he will be blocked from that site :o! Lets get some Wookipedia users over there (Warioloaf, Son of Suns ect.) to tell on him! <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span> | It's possible that ge took the name and isn't really HIM. But if that's him then he will be blocked from that site :o! Lets get some Wookipedia users over there (Warioloaf, Son of Suns ect.) to tell on him! <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span> | ||
::I don't think its right, he was a good friend of mine. Yoshi or SOS can do it, but not me. I could go on a wiki and pretend to be you and you get blocked. Case Closed. Thats what WW wanted. Check his IP addresses. :( {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}} | ::I don't think its right, he was a good friend of mine. Yoshi or SOS can do it, but not me. I could go on a wiki and pretend to be you and you get blocked. Case Closed. Thats what WW wanted. Check his IP addresses. :( {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}} | ||
:::No, I don't think it's the real Silly Dan. What I meant was I think this "Willy on Wheels" vandal also vandalizes Wookieepedia, not just here. Which is likely considering how many "on wheels" vandals Wookieepedia gets. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image: | :::No, I don't think it's the real Silly Dan. What I meant was I think this "Willy on Wheels" vandal also vandalizes Wookieepedia, not just here. Which is likely considering how many "on wheels" vandals Wookieepedia gets. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 22:38, 8 January 2007 (EST) | ||
*Same thing with that Crumb Vandal. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}} | *Same thing with that Crumb Vandal. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}} | ||
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The three most common sockpuppets: Willy, Smoke, and Peachycakes (not [[User:Peachycakes 3.14|this user]]). {{User:KS3/sig}} | The three most common sockpuppets: Willy, Smoke, and Peachycakes (not [[User:Peachycakes 3.14|this user]]). {{User:KS3/sig}} | ||
No its here:[[ | No its here:[[MarioWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 12]]. One of the biggest shocks I ever had in my life. {{User:Booderdash/sig|.}} | ||
==Spelling error== | ==Spelling error== | ||
There is a spelling error in the Peachycakes section, in the last paragraph. It starts a sentence with "hey" rather than "They". I'd edit this myself, but the page is on full protection. Sorry if this seems trivial. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image: | There is a spelling error in the Peachycakes section, in the last paragraph. It starts a sentence with "hey" rather than "They". I'd edit this myself, but the page is on full protection. Sorry if this seems trivial. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 19:05, 10 January 2007 (EST) | ||
<nowiki>However sadly (s)he returned with the name Peach Guardian and Candracar Peach. hey were both blocked again. Paper Jorge (Talk) while using UserScore found that this troller's really name was Taylor.</nowiki> | <nowiki>However sadly (s)he returned with the name Peach Guardian and Candracar Peach. hey were both blocked again. Paper Jorge (Talk) while using UserScore found that this troller's really name was Taylor.</nowiki> | ||
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Ahh... Paper Jorge... I'd fix it myself but I'm not a Sysop currently. Thanks for pointing that out. Notice a couple other mistakes.{{User:Knife/sig}} | Ahh... Paper Jorge... I'd fix it myself but I'm not a Sysop currently. Thanks for pointing that out. Notice a couple other mistakes.{{User:Knife/sig}} | ||
:Guys, we will fix any mistakes ''we cross based on circumstances'' next time there's a real edit to do. So there are a few letters missing – the page still gives a report of trolls. Stop being grammar geeks and get over your twitches over the minor errors. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 20:31, 10 January 2007 (EST) | :Guys, we will fix any mistakes ''we cross based on circumstances'' next time there's a real edit to do. So there are a few letters missing – the page still gives a report of trolls. Stop being grammar geeks and get over your twitches over the minor errors. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 20:31, 10 January 2007 (EST) | ||
::OK. Sorry. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image: | ::OK. Sorry. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 20:45, 10 January 2007 (EST) | ||
::I was a bit harsh, but I've seen many grammar twitches lately, so bad that editing people's works on "The" 'Shroom has become a concern. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 20:53, 10 January 2007 (EST) | ::I was a bit harsh, but I've seen many grammar twitches lately, so bad that editing people's works on "The" 'Shroom has become a concern. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 20:53, 10 January 2007 (EST) | ||
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::::''"OK, fine. What I was trying to emphasize is don't edit others' comments for grammar.''" - [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Trolls&curid=8906&diff=71171&oldid=70243 Wayoshi] | ::::''"OK, fine. What I was trying to emphasize is don't edit others' comments for grammar.''" - [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Trolls&curid=8906&diff=71171&oldid=70243 Wayoshi] | ||
::::I wasn't editing anybody's comments. I merely wanted to fix a mistake in the article. But since I couldn't, I thought I would bring it up here. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image: | ::::I wasn't editing anybody's comments. I merely wanted to fix a mistake in the article. But since I couldn't, I thought I would bring it up here. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Yoshi</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">626</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 15:39, 11 January 2007 (EST) | ||
==Tonya Logan== | ==Tonya Logan== | ||
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sure. knock youself out! (literaly) {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} | sure. knock youself out! (literaly) {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} | ||
:Agreed, why did this page get protected anyway, I mean sure you're trying to keep actual trolls from editing the page. You can always just semi-protect the page because right now the page has very little information on it sadly. [[User:Fawful's Minion|Fawful's]] [[User talk:Fawful's Minion|Minion]] 18:53, 29 April 2016 (EDT) | :Agreed, why did this page get protected anyway, I mean sure you're trying to keep actual trolls from editing the page. You can always just semi-protect the page because right now the page has very little information on it sadly. [[User:Fawful's Minion|Fawful's]] [[User talk:Fawful's Minion|Minion]] [[File:Fawful's Minion-Logan.jpeg|35px|link=Fawful]] 18:53, 29 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
::This discussion is nearly ''10 years old''. Why are you responding to this? And what else could we add here? The page perfectly describes the nature of these things. This is an official policy page too, so it make sense that only admins would edit it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:02, 29 April 2016 (EDT) | ::This discussion is nearly ''10 years old''. Why are you responding to this? And what else could we add here? The page perfectly describes the nature of these things. This is an official policy page too, so it make sense that only admins would edit it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:02, 29 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
== Delete == | == Delete == | ||
Some users say that this only encourages trolls. Let's vote on having this in-depth log. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 20:48, 24 April 2007 (EDT) | Some users say that this only encourages trolls. Let's vote on having this in-depth log. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 20:48, 24 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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==Delete this page== | ==Delete this page== | ||
{{ | {{TPP}} | ||
This page has virtually the same content as [[MarioWiki:Vandalism]] in characteristics of a troll/vandal and how to stop them. Furthermore, the Vandals page also acknowledges that trolling ==/== vandalism and provides definitions for both. | This page has virtually the same content as [[MarioWiki:Vandalism]] in characteristics of a troll/vandal and how to stop them. Furthermore, the Vandals page also acknowledges that trolling ==/== vandalism and provides definitions for both. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{user|driftmaster130}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{user|driftmaster130}}<br> | ||
''' | '''Deadline''': June 19, 2016 23:59 GMT | ||
===Support=== | ===Support=== | ||
#{{User|driftmaster130}} Per my reasoning above. | #{{User|driftmaster130}} Per my reasoning above. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
#{{ | #{{User|Fawful's Minion}} If we just add some information about the trolls from the past and their sockpuppets and their crimes against the wiki the page will be fixed because there have been many trolls such as {{User|Sick}}, {{User|PewDiePie}}, {{User|Smoke}}, {{User|Karyll Aguilar}}, {{User|Phazoncreeper987}},{{User|Toa Waluigi}}, {{User|Spongebob}}, {{User|123johnpaul}}, {{User|Plumber690}} etc. so if we add information on them and their crimes there will be no need to delete it and it'll all be good. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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::Another edit conflict. Time Turner already explained what I way trying to say, but the page is locked because it's a policy page and probably to stop exactly that (troll edits) from happening as well. --{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 20:56, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ::Another edit conflict. Time Turner already explained what I way trying to say, but the page is locked because it's a policy page and probably to stop exactly that (troll edits) from happening as well. --{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 20:56, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::Semi-protecting pages to make lots of good, potential editors more difficult to edit just so that a select few morons here and there are made harder to vandalize is not a compromise I support. And you didn't even need to list their names. We get a lot of those, they reproduce and respawn on a consistent basis, they deserve to be nameless. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:57, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | :::Semi-protecting pages to make lots of good, potential editors more difficult to edit just so that a select few morons here and there are made harder to vandalize is not a compromise I support. And you didn't even need to list their names. We get a lot of those, they reproduce and respawn on a consistent basis, they deserve to be nameless. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:57, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
::Actually now that I think about it you're right about that trolls can be | ::Actually now that I think about it you're right about that trolls can be dangerous to the wiki because we've had many sockpuppets such as {{User|Yusei Fudo}}, {{User|Jamespaul123}}, {{User|Paper mario fan}}, {{User|Bwserful}}, {{User|Tiscuib ynot}}, {{User|Smokepuppet on Xzelion.}}, {{User|Karyll Aguilar Jr.}} etc. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 21:01, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
::Per Time Turner and Driftmaster130 on points of NOT exposing vandals. The best way to deal with trolls is to be quiet and revert until wiki sysops can take the appropriate action. Trolls are NOT dangerous, they are just mere annoyances. | ::Per Time Turner and Driftmaster130 on points of NOT exposing vandals. The best way to deal with trolls is to be quiet and revert until wiki sysops can take the appropriate action. Trolls are NOT dangerous, they are just mere annoyances. | ||
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::MarioWiki:Vandalism already took the pains to distinguish between the two, despite quite some overlap between the two. That's why we even have two policy pages, to concretely illustrate the distinction. Deleting this page may not to a service to distinguish between the two. That being said, MarioWiki:Trolls does a poor job on defining between a vandal and a troll. As you said, whatever content it has deals specifically with vandalism, even though components of trolling do involve vandalism. I say we rewrite the page rather than delete it, make it focus on actual community toxicity and disruption such as [[Talk:Vivian#.22References.22_not_quite_right|the rant in Vivian's talk page]] or [[Talk:Main_Page#Deleting_my_account_permanently|this conversation]] or [[Talk:Main_Page#why_was_i_banned_from_the_forums.3F|this conversation]], which is indeed different from vandalism. It may overlap a bit with [[MarioWiki:Courtesy]] too, but I think that's a start. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:03, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ::MarioWiki:Vandalism already took the pains to distinguish between the two, despite quite some overlap between the two. That's why we even have two policy pages, to concretely illustrate the distinction. Deleting this page may not to a service to distinguish between the two. That being said, MarioWiki:Trolls does a poor job on defining between a vandal and a troll. As you said, whatever content it has deals specifically with vandalism, even though components of trolling do involve vandalism. I say we rewrite the page rather than delete it, make it focus on actual community toxicity and disruption such as [[Talk:Vivian#.22References.22_not_quite_right|the rant in Vivian's talk page]] or [[Talk:Main_Page#Deleting_my_account_permanently|this conversation]] or [[Talk:Main_Page#why_was_i_banned_from_the_forums.3F|this conversation]], which is indeed different from vandalism. It may overlap a bit with [[MarioWiki:Courtesy]] too, but I think that's a start. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:03, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::'''@Fawful's Minion''' ...you realize that naming them is still trollbaiting, right? Can you just not comment unless you have something constructive not relating to actual trolls? --{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 21:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | :::'''@Fawful's Minion''' ...you realize that naming them is still trollbaiting, right? Can you just not comment unless you have something constructive not relating to actual trolls? --{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 21:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::'''@LGM''' I agree with some of your points but I don't think this page is any different from the Vandalism policy; it doesn't even give a definition of trolls while the other one does and besides the top part it's the exact same thing as the Vandalism page. I actually did a very light rewrite of MW:Vandalism [[user:driftmaster130/work|here]] | :::'''@LGM''' I agree with some of your points but I don't think this page is any different from the Vandalism policy; it doesn't even give a definition of trolls while the other one does and besides the top part it's the exact same thing as the Vandalism page. I actually did a very light rewrite of MW:Vandalism [[user:driftmaster130/work|here]] but I don't know if it would help much in that sense. --{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 21:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
