Editing MarioWiki talk:Proposals

{{proposals talk}}

== Identifier template? ==

A month ago, there was a [[Category talk:Game series#Remove "(series)" identifier from titles that don't need it|proposal]] that aimed at removing identifiers from series that didn't need it. It was a draw at 13-13, and I do understand a lot of the points against removing the identifier, such as the fact that some people might think that a game simply known as "''Mario Kart''" exists. However, I did support the proposal, and one of the points that made a lot of sense was that it made it easier to link to the series page without pipelinking. There were some good points like having to remember which pages had the identifier or not, as some game series shared the name with the franchise. Therefore, I am going to give an idea (not propose it yet) on making a template (which I currently call {{Tem|ID}}) to directly link to pages with identifiers while the identifier is normally not shown visibly; not just for series, but for most pages with identifiers. This is my current code:

:<s><nowiki>[[{{{1}}} ({{{2}}})|{{#if:{{{it|}}}|''{{{1}}}''|{{#switch: {{{2}}}|franchise|series|pinball|film|activity books|manga|Game & Watch|Nintendo Entertainment System|Game Boy|Nelsonic Game Watch|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Gamewatch Boy|Nintendo 64|Game Boy Color|Game Boy Advance|Nintendo DS|Wii|Wii U|Nintendo Switch|game=''{{{1}}}''|#default={{{1}}}}}}}{{#if:{{{name|}}}|<nowiki/> {{#switch:{{{2}}}|Game & Watch|Nintendo Entertainment System|Game Boy|Nelsonic Game Watch|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Gamewatch Boy|Nintendo 64|Game Boy Color|Game Boy Advance|Nintendo DS|Wii|Wii U|Nintendo Switch=for the <nowiki/>|#default=}}{{{2}}}|{{#if:{{{id|}}}|<nowiki/> ({{{2}}})}}}}]]</nowiki></s>

:<nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{it}}}|0||{{#if:{{{name|}}}||{{#if:{{{id|}}}||{{#if:{{{it|}}}|''|{{#switch: {{{2}}}|franchise|series|pinball|film|activity books|manga|Game & Watch|Nintendo Entertainment System|Game Boy|Nelsonic Game Watch|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Gamewatch Boy|Nintendo 64|Game Boy Color|Game Boy Advance|Nintendo DS|Wii|Wii U|Nintendo Switch|game=''|#default=}}}}}}}}}}[[{{{1}}} ({{{2}}})|{{#ifeq:{{{it}}}|0|{{{1}}}|{{#if:{{{name|}}}|{{#if:{{{it|}}}|''{{{1}}}''|{{#switch: {{{2}}}|franchise|series|pinball|film|activity books|manga|Game & Watch|Nintendo Entertainment System|Game Boy|Nelsonic Game Watch|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Gamewatch Boy|Nintendo 64|Game Boy Color|Game Boy Advance|Nintendo DS|Wii|Wii U|Nintendo Switch|game=''{{{1}}}''|#default=}}}}|{{#if:{{{id|}}}|''{{{1}}}''|{{{1}}}}}}}}}{{#if:{{{name|}}}|<nowiki/> for the {{{2}}}|{{#if:{{{id|}}}|<nowiki/> ({{{2}}})}}}}]]{{#ifeq:{{{it}}}|0||{{#if:{{{name|}}}||{{#if:{{{id|}}}||{{#if:{{{it|}}}|''|{{#switch: {{{2}}}|franchise|series|pinball|film|activity books|manga|Game & Watch|Nintendo Entertainment System|Game Boy|Nelsonic Game Watch|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Gamewatch Boy|Nintendo 64|Game Boy Color|Game Boy Advance|Nintendo DS|Wii|Wii U|Nintendo Switch|game=''|#default=}}}}}}}}}}</nowiki>


Parameters include:
*it - If set to 1, it ''italicizes'' the name. This is just in case there is a formal name that I somehow didn't put in (yet). If set to 0, formal names are deitalicized.
*{{hover|name|I might change this to "na" for consistency and further shortening, or to "for" due to its updated purpose}} - <s>Adds the name loosely to the end of the linked area. For console identifiers, this adds "for the" between the <nowiki>{{{1}}} and {{{2}}}</nowiki> visible link.</s> Adds the words "for the (console)".
*id - Adds back the identifier. While this sounds useless and against the point of this template, this allows formal names with identifiers to keep their ''italics'' without pipelinking just to add them only to the area outside the identifier.

I tested this out on this wiki using the "Show Preview" function, and they work perfectly; any mistakes I found were later fixed.

Here are some examples:
*<nowiki>{{ID|Mario Kart|series}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>''[[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]''</nowiki>
*<s><nowiki>{{ID|Mario Kart|series|name=1}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Mario Kart (series)|''Mario Kart'' series]]</nowiki></s> '''Edit''': Crossed this out due to Porple's comment below.
*<nowiki>{{ID|Mario Kart|series|id=1}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Mario Kart (series)|''Mario Kart'' (series)]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{ID|Mario Kart|series|it=0}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{ID|Super Mario RPG|Nintendo Switch}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>''[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG]]''</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{ID|Super Mario RPG|Nintendo Switch|name=1}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|''Super Mario RPG'' for the Nintendo Switch]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{ID|Super Mario RPG|Nintendo Switch|id=1}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|''Super Mario RPG'' (Nintendo Switch)]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{ID|Super Mario RPG|Nintendo Switch|it=0}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>{{ID|Super Mario RPG|Nintendo Switch|name=1|it=0}}</nowiki> is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG for the Nintendo Switch]]</nowiki>

There could be some other possible ones, like <nowiki>{{ID|Super Mario RPG|Nintendo Switch|id=1|it=0}}</nowiki>, which is a shortened version of <nowiki>[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)]]</nowiki>, but seeing as how that is basically <nowiki>[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)]]</nowiki> without pipelinking, that is basically useless and in that case might actually make it harder to link than easier, while in the other cases, it is easier. I might add it in the future if this expands beyond this, but it is staying out for now.

I'm open on feedback; I might open a proposal about this in the future. I also have some more convenience templates in mind, like a section template that links to the section and uses that section name as the link name without having to pipelink, but I'll focus on this first. [[User:Altendo|Al]][[User talk:Altendo|ten]][[Special:Contributions/Altendo|do]] 17:00, December 18, 2024 (EST)
:I'd love having such a template. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 17:04, December 18, 2024 (EST)
:Keep in mind that the more things like this you have in the page source, the harder it is to bot link replacements since you're just adding more and more different ways to accomplish the same task of linking to a page. And template parameters don't work with LinkSuggest, but starting a link with <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki></code> does. I know you can't pipe trick the "for the Nintendo Switch" ones, but for the rest of them, it's the reason I prefer to format links in this way (italics and second "franchise" outside the link): <code><nowiki>''[[Super Mario (franchise)|]]'' franchise</nowiki></code>. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 17:30, December 18, 2024 (EST)
::That's something I am willing to change or remove. As for LinkSuggest, I wonder why templates like {{tem|Peach}} and {{tem|Daisy}} exist if so. [[User:Altendo|Al]][[User talk:Altendo|ten]][[Special:Contributions/Altendo|do]] 17:43, December 18, 2024 (EST)
:::{{@|Altendo}} They were based on the Koopalings templates (e.g. {{fake link|Template:Larry}}), but those were apparently deleted because their shortened title proposals had passed. Odd that LinkSuggest has been brought up, since there's an ongoing proposal regarding its inclusion. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 17:47, December 18, 2024 (EST)
::::In light of [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Add an abbreviation template to type out full game titles|this template]] being highly supported, I might actually create this proposal. [[User:Altendo|Al]][[User talk:Altendo|ten]][[Special:Contributions/Altendo|do]] 21:20, December 23, 2024 (EST)
:::::I made {{tem|id}} btw --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 21:22, December 23, 2024 (EST)
::::::Oh, okay then. Nevermind! [[User:Altendo|Al]][[User talk:Altendo|ten]][[Special:Contributions/Altendo|do]] 22:00, December 23, 2024 (EST)

== Curators ==
Note that I am keeping rule 19 in mind, so this is more of a title, similar to but different than autoconfirmed. However, I do wonder what others think about the idea of a Curators title: Basically, non-staff members who are more experienced at handling content on the wiki so that newer users can notice some of the more established and recurring editors on this wiki. Because I've noticed non-staff members do large-scale projects on the wiki, but at the same time it feels there's more scrutiny toward newer users who attempt it. If the idea is approved, "Curators" could be a precedent to perhaps establish more titles based on a user's niches on the wiki. 

On a side note, I wondered if there could be more clarity or distinction with non-staff who are formally authorized to give warnings on user talk pages. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 09:49, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
:This seems like it'd bring more confusion if anything. If editors want to discuss their niches, they can mention them on their user pages. Adding more roles just overcomplicates things. I also have no trouble noticing non-staff active users - I'm sure many others feel the same. And what do you mean by more "scrutiny"? This whole idea could just make new editors more intimidated to try larger projects. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 10:01, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
::Do we want newer users to try large projects? I got warned before for making sweeping changes. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 10:04, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
:::Considering people have apparently had grievances with projects I've attempted, I can say that "newness" has nothing to do with it in the long run. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:07, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
:I feel strongly that we should not discourage new users from contributing, even with large-scale edits; and that creating a higher class of user that is "allowed" to do large-scale editing projects would be a huge mistake. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 13:01, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
::Hard agree. This would create a big barrier for new users to get involved with the wiki. {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 13:07, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
:::It's also just unclear what counts as a "large-scale change". Consider the work we did on ''[[Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!]]'', which basically doubled in size from the start of the year to now. But at what point did it hit "large scale"? Was it adding tables? Adding sample level maps to the zone pages? Adding basically double the amount of sprites and screenshots? What would you do after awhile? Do you just revert to a halfway implemented state and say, "come back when you're a Curator"? Do you revert it all? Do you permit it only if the edits were made incrementally, negating the point of being Curator if you just pace yourself? Even if the point is for somebody to check large-scale edits, that's part of why we have Patrollers, which is a much healthier system for that purpose. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 13:31, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
::::Okay, so I'll remove the talk template since there's enough feedback not in favor of it. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:41, March 21, 2025 (EDT)