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| *Images should be optimized and not exceed 5 megabytes in file size. | | *Images should be optimized and not exceed 5 megabytes in file size. |
| *Images' dimensions should be in the original size and never exceed 5000 pixels in width or height. | | *Images' dimensions should be in the original size and never exceed 5000 pixels in width or height. |
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| I think this project page can be better organized with the use of MediaWiki headers instead of four bullet points with sub-bulletpoints. Something to the effect below. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 05:02, 8 February 2016 (EST) | | I think this project page can be better organized with the use of MediaWiki headers instead of four bullet points with sub-bulletpoints. Something to the effect below. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 05:02, 8 February 2016 (EST) |
| :This would make the page neater, it's fine by me. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 22:08, 8 February 2016 (EST) | | :This would make the page neater, it's fine by me. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 22:08, 8 February 2016 (EST) |
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| == Cropping Letterboxing Mandated == | | == Cropping Letterboxing Mandated == |
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| {{user|Porplemontage}} and I have been talking about the quality of our image uploads and we are quite split if mandating cropping is a good idea. I suggest reading the talk page section ([[User talk:Porplemontage#RE:Image black borders]]) to get an idea where our stances are with it. Thoughts? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 03:30, 3 May 2016 (EDT) | | {{user|Porplemontage}} and I have been talking about the quality of our image uploads and we are quite split if mandating cropping is a good idea. I suggest reading the talk page section ([[User talk:Porplemontage#RE:Image black borders]]) to get an idea where our stances are with it. Thoughts? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 03:30, 3 May 2016 (EDT) |
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| <br><nowiki>*previews, is surprised it actually embeds the imgur image, changes to linked thumbnail*</nowiki> - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 23:23, 5 May 2016 (EDT) | | <br><nowiki>*previews, is surprised it actually embeds the imgur image, changes to linked thumbnail*</nowiki> - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 23:23, 5 May 2016 (EDT) |
| ::But that crop just looks even more odd than cropping [[Paper Mario]] images. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:20, 6 May 2016 (EDT) | | ::But that crop just looks even more odd than cropping [[Paper Mario]] images. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:20, 6 May 2016 (EDT) |
| :::[[File:PM Koopa Bros Toad.png|thumb]]This (right) doesn't look odd to me. | | :::[[File:Koopa Bros. Toad.png|thumb]]This (right) doesn't look odd to me. |
| :::Remember that the Paper Mario screen area was allowing for 10%ish overscan. The average player simply would not have seen most (or even all in some cases) of the black area. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 00:39, 6 May 2016 (EDT) | | :::Remember that the Paper Mario screen area was allowing for 10%ish overscan. The average player simply would not have seen most (or even all in some cases) of the black area. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 00:39, 6 May 2016 (EDT) |
| ::::The case on the right: I'd like to see the remaining black border part made transparent. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 01:05, 6 May 2016 (EDT) | | ::::The case on the right: I'd like to see the remaining black border part made transparent. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 01:05, 6 May 2016 (EDT) |
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| :Like I said, you can get away with it with that image and it looks fine, but not in every case. The ''Paper Mario'' ones cut the dialogue too close to the top for that to look okay (note that the Battle HUD - [[:File:PMBowserBattle1.png]] - has a 202-height active area as well). I've edited Koopa Bros. Toad.png (right) to have those two partially-surviving rows of black pixels be transparent - it looks fine, but it's more work to do. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 07:45, 6 May 2016 (EDT) | | :Like I said, you can get away with it with that image and it looks fine, but not in every case. The ''Paper Mario'' ones cut the dialogue too close to the top for that to look okay (note that the Battle HUD - [[:File:PMBowserBattle1.png]] - has a 202-height active area as well). I've edited Koopa Bros. Toad.png (right) to have those two partially-surviving rows of black pixels be transparent - it looks fine, but it's more work to do. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 07:45, 6 May 2016 (EDT) |
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| Well, if the screenshot is put on articles at the original size, that the transparent part by the top side of the picture will show as white. Since we have #f9f9f9 frames for pictures, If the picture has dark colors, this will make a "light gray--white--dark" contrast, which does not look good in my opinion. Thoughts? {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 11:27, 9 July 2016 (EDT) | | Well, if the screenshot is put on articles at the original size, that the transparent part by the top side of the picture will show as white. Since we have #f9f9f9 frames for pictures, If the picture has dark colors, this will make a "light gray--white--dark" contrast, which does not look good in my opinion. Thoughts? {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 11:27, 9 July 2016 (EDT) |
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| --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 19:52, 9 July 2016 (EDT) | | --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 19:52, 9 July 2016 (EDT) |
| :I don't think it is necessary to mention cropping in #4, for the same reason Wikisource doesn't mention that it has "changed" the font or the layout of the original documents. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 02:34, 17 July 2016 (EDT) | | :I don't think it is necessary to mention cropping in #4, for the same reason Wikisource doesn't mention that it has "changed" the font or the layout of the original documents. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 02:34, 17 July 2016 (EDT) |
| ::But it is a modification of the unaltered screenshot (or image that gets cropped). It should be documented if such an edit takes place. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:44, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::It is a modification of the .png file output by the emulator, but what if you don't use the emulator's "screenshot" feature, but instead use the "Snipping Tool" that comes from Windows 7+? In the latter case, the borderless screenshot isn't modified at all. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 03:49, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::You should be using the emulator's screenshot button. The reason is that it reads what the real output is (it's usually as close as possible to the real hardware's output). Only in odd cases should you use the snipping tool (or equivalent methods). I have had issues with [[Wikipedia:Multi Emulator Super System|MESSUI]] emulating [[CD-i]] using its screenshot button, but the screen resolution is always 384x280 for the Mario games we cover (including the letterboxing that should be cropped), so properly setting up MESS for the snipping tool fixes the issue. Other than that, just mention you use the snipping tool so that way if someone stumbles across your upload and it says so, they can compare with a non snipping tool screenshot of theirs to judge if <s>a new upload</s> tagging as cropped is required. Just out of curiosity, why do you use the snipping tool? Something wrong with BizHawk, similar to MESS? If so, show me a screenshot generated by BizHawk. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 04:20, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::No, I don't use the snipping tool at all. But just as people have the freedom to choose what operating system to use to contribute to the encyclopedia -- Windows, Linux, Mac, etc. -- they should also have the freedom to choose how they take their screenshots, as long as they're of the same quality. What I'm worrying about is that snipping tool users will be compelled to act as if they were using the emulator method, even if they have ''done no modification at all''. (Indeed, one of the great advantages of snipping tools is that you don't need to crop, if it's properly set up.) {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 09:31, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::[Note: I tried both methods of taking a Paper Mario screenshot and they're indeed of the same quality. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 10:00, 17 July 2016 (EDT)]
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| :::::[Another note: cropping is not editing the content of the screenshot. It isn't misleading either because the average readers of MarioWiki are players and look at screenshots to know what is on the screen, not how big the screen is or how much the screenshot differs from real hardware output. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 12:36, 17 July 2016 (EDT)]
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| ::::::Real hardware doesn't crop. I trust the emulator screenshot button. I checked the NES, SNES, N64, GCN, and Wii and they relatively match. Therefore, cropping the image for MarioWiki is editing the screenshot. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 15:18, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| I still don't agree. First, there isn't a rule in the image policy that says the hardware output is the only "correct" version of a screenshot and whatever disagrees with it is inauthentic. Second, the purpose of having screenshots on the wiki is to show the reader what is on the scene. It is only on a wiki like The Cutting Room Floor that being faithful to the hardware is important. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 15:36, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :Hey, wait a minute -- it isn't my goal to argue whether cropping qualify as modification, and I was arguing over that like an idiot. All I ask is that people should be allowed to upload borderless Paper Mario screenshots without saying that they have "cropped" the picture in #4, since it is ''possible'' that they are honest. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 15:53, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I guess it is possible that there are people that don't know any better. My [[User:Wildgoosespeeder/sandbox|WIP screenshot guide]] is my attempt to better inform screenshot submitters the expected output of an emulator screenshot. If it matches, it's valid. Once validated, it can then be cropped, if necessary, as deemed by the policy. My WIP hasn't been modified to reflect the recent change in policy. Not sure of the best way to word it. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 17:43, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::But what about snipping tool users? Why are you ignoring their feeling? {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 23:04, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::<s>Another problem is that it compels the editors to think that cropping is modification, whether they agree or not.</s> {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 23:30, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::Again, the intention of my WIP is to inform everyone submitting screenshots of expected outputs of emulator-taken screenshots, even snipping tool users. Snipping tool users should say they used the tool in the edit field. Doesn't matter if you agree cropping is editing. By definition alone, cropping is editing. It's like YouTubers video editing to zoom in or edit junk out of the raw footage or pictures they choose to include in their videos. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:43, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::''Snipping tool users should say they used the tool in the edit field.
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| :::::OK, Now I feel better! {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 23:53, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::↑ '''EDIT:''' mis-stated this sentence. My intention is to say that cropping doesn't affect the ''content'' of the screenshot. It _is_ a modification of the hardware output, though. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 06:40, 19 July 2016 (EDT)
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| '''↑ 1 Aug 2016 update:''' Now hardware output has been explicitly mentioned in MW:UPLOAD. This should be no problem as long as people who use other methods are well informed of what the hardware output is. {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}} 23:39, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
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| I plan on uploading a screenshot I took of a Flying Roulette Block from Super Mario 3D Land, but I don't understand the policy completely and hope for no mistakes on my first try on uploading an image. I would appreciate some help to overcome this insecurity. [[User:296lmn20|296lmn20]] ([[User talk:296lmn20|talk]]) 11:09, 13 March 2017 (EDT)296lmn20
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| :Hi there. In a nutshell, the policy on screenshots states that the resolution should ideally be close to the actual hardware (which is 400x240 for 3DS gameplay screenshots). If you're taking the screenshot from YouTube, the resolution would be affected (although it's still acceptable to upload). Another important thing is to give the file a meaningful name when uploading it: I'd suggest "SM3DL Shot - Flying Roulette Block". If you have any specific questions, don't hesitate to ask away.
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| :Thank you, but before I finalize this, I still have to ask about the summary. Do I just add what I need to input after the prompt sentence, or do I have to replace the prompt sentence with the information needed?[[User:296lmn20|296lmn20]] ([[User talk:296lmn20|talk]]) 11:54, 14 March 2017 (EDT)296lmn20
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| ::Yes, you replace the prompt sentence with the information. If you make any mistakes, it is not a big problem as they are very easy to correct. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 12:00, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
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| :::Note that you don't need to fill every section with some relevant information. If, for example, the image has no edits, you can simply remove the fourth section. Also keep in a mind that each image usually requires a relevant category as well, beyond the one added by the license. In this case, [[:Category:Super Mario 3D Land Images]] should be included at the bottom of the summary. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 12:45, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
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| == Differences Between Formats Explained Better Than I Ever Could ==
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| Here's a video that explains the differences between formats and what image format is best for what situation, better than I ever could. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww12lImOJ38] Would it make a great link to refer to for this policy page? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 19:28, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
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| Just curious, why is that format "forbidden?" Can the wiki just not render them properly? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:38, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
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| :It's uncompressed. Converting to PNG is fine as the original BMP is preserved 100%. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 01:53, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
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| Why can't I upload an image? [[User:Starclimber the NightWing|Starclimber the NightWing]] ([[User talk:Starclimber the NightWing|message]]) [[File:NightWing.png]] 15:05, 12 May 2018 (EDT)
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| :To be able upload images, you must be [[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed]]. To become autoconfirmed, you must have your account for four days and make at least five edits. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 15:09, 12 May 2018 (EDT)
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| ::This also relates to creating your user page, in response to your question on {{User|Glowsquid}}'s page. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:10, 12 May 2018 (EDT)
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| Why do you have to be autoconfirmed to upload images?[[User:Starclimber the NightWing|Starclimber the NightWing]] ([[User talk:Starclimber the NightWing|message]]) [[File:NightWing.png]] 15:17, 12 May 2018 (EDT)
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| :The restriction prevents vandals from being able to join and upload spam images. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 15:20, 12 May 2018 (EDT)
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| The dash (-) is easy enough to type on keyboards, so I don't see why it should be forbidden from filenames. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 13:20, September 26, 2019 (EDT)
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| :[[User_talk:Trig_Jegman#Further_regarding_file_moves|As I told Trig]], I'm already working on this. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:24, September 26, 2019 (EDT)
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| What about use [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/screenshot-youtube/gjoijpfmdhbjkkgnmahganhoinjjpohk Screenshot YouTube] to take 1080p screenshots? {{unsigned|99.199.16.24}}
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| :If you can't get native-resolution screenshots, YouTube screenshots are fine. The former are preferable, but not required. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:07, October 31, 2019 (EDT)
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| ==On renaming files==
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| Should the policy on renaming files be made stricter? The comments on [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 54#Impose stricter policies for renaming files|this proposal]] indicated that this would be better suited to a discussion than a proposal, so that's why I'm starting the topic here.
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| My suggested changes to the policy on renaming files are as such:
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| *Renaming files based simply on easy-to-type symbols (like hyphens, commas, and parentheses) should be discouraged.
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| *The rule on renaming files that already describe the topic accurately should be enforced more strictly. (There are countless times when I've seen a reason to move the files back, but don't want to flood the Recent Changes with renames should I actually rename them all back.)
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| {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 20:58, November 4, 2019 (EST)
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| :So, I talked to the other admins about this about a month ago. That was the point behind [[Special:Diff/2768523|this change]] and [[Special:Diff/2510021|this change]], for the respective bullet points. Files containing punctuation that is also used in the subject's name and files that are already clear enough should not be moved. Files with unnecessary punctuation should be moved to remove them, as it can be confusing when trying to find the file if a file is named "File:Mario-SM64-Artwork (2).png". I also understand consistency with file names, that is part of why we are requiring "png" over "PNG". But we aren't incredibly strict with file names because there isn't really a reason to do so, it kind of takes the fun out of it. Zelda Wiki and Fire Emblem Wiki use strict file name policies, and it's honestly a bit difficult for me to find "File:Ma 3ds02 adventurer vallite enemy.gif" (this is an actual file name) rather than "File:Vallite Adventurer 3DS Enemy Map Sprite.gif", for example. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 01:36, November 5, 2019 (EST)
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| ::now I will get back to this when I actually have some spare time, but I would like to help make a guided list of acceptable punctuation (officially declared or not) and potentially devise a more effective plan for dealing with the many pre-existing file names. Again, if there is one specifically you would like to discuss, please [[User talk:Trig Jegman|tell me]]. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 18:06, November 5, 2019 (EST)
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| ::Okay, to start I'd like to address why I most specifically address hyphens: They enable more duplicate or super similar names for files, and create quite a lot of confusion. As an example, simply the difference between using File:MP3-Star and File:MP3 Star is the difference between two different files in existance. Using a space for the hyphen makes it even worse, as I have seen a multitutde of games that use a combination of the following options;
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| ::Four different files could be virtually identically named, and that is not taking into consideration that the capitalization of file names (MP Star vs MP star vs Mp Star) ''also impacts file distinguishment.'' To fully disclose, '''unless there are two virtually identical named files with name capital differences, I do not move files just to change the capitalization of the file name itself, and when I do, [[User:Trig Jegman#Terminology|I usually indicate when that is the case under NCR]]'''. To avoid using hypens that are not related to the file would limit the amount of confusing duplicated file names present in many games. This '''is not to say hyphens cannot be used''', as such enemies like Cheep-Cheeps or other hyphenated terms exist, but it is to say that '''the amount of hyphens being used currently is excessive and not necessary.
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| ::Similar things can be said for various other punctuation symbols. Some of which are ''not'' as common as believed, but simply just overcomplicate the process involved. I have yet to encounter a single file name in which a parentheses set is required, and the use of periods in files is not always fantastic for coding purposes. Apostrophes are also interesting to note because there appears to be a variety of them available to use (as I mention [[User:Trig Jegman#Notes|here for Waluigi's Reign). '''While I believe apostrophes are are acceptable to use, it does lead the possibility of other alternate punctuation marks being available that other people use.'''
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| ::I do everything to be easy to understand first and organized second. I know I can harp on and on about the Game Abbreviation-Subject-File Type.extention format that I hold on to--which I did not make, but was rather about 55-60% of the norm and made the most linear sense--being used, but I do not apply to this to files that would only be formatted this way to be organized. [[:File:Melty Molten Galaxy SMG early volcano.png]] is not in the aforementioned format, but it's name is appropriate and will not necessarily appear in another form (artwork/rendering) and hence I did not move it. The movement of File:World A-3LL.png to File:SMAS LL World A-3 Title Card.png was appropriate because the prior name did not mention it was a title card, and the extremely identical naming to the same level with File:World A-3.png and File:WorldA-3SMBTheLostLevels.png, it needed further distinguishment from the other two varieties (map and level screenshot). Placing it into the format made sense, as it was standardizing a chaotic assortment of files. Sometimes, a file that would be like SBLSBSMS, which would mean sirena beach legendary sand bird super mario sunshine, makes sense to change and expand out upon to reduce confusion.
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| ::In my opinion, as I have stated a many a time now, is that the image use policy should be rewritten more for the initial naming of files and should be extremely clear about what SHOULD be used, and what should NOT be used, as the current writing comes off as though it is an acceptable gray area. '''I do not think that any punctuation that is not an apostrophe, hyphen, or ampersand should be used for any file whatsoever, and the three mentioned should only be used when it applies to the file name (Mario's Glove in Luigi's Mansion) or the game series name (Game & Watch Gallery 2)'''. I believe a SPLIT SECTION should be written for the renaming and movement of files (maybe using some of [[User:Trig Jegman#Trig How to Rename Files|what I already have?]] about what specifically should be addressed in the movement and understanding the purpose of doing so. This section sould also include the full process of moving, replacing name on a page, and flagging redirects for deletion because it isn't really well demonstrated here.
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| ::on a smaller last note, I think we should dissuade the use of APNGs and rather suggest gifs to be used.
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| ::Thanks for hearing my input. Leave a talk page message if you need me. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig Jegman (but it's mama luigi to you)]] - 19:24, November 5, 2019 (EST)
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| #"SVG is great alternative" -> "SVG is '''a''' great alternative".
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| :Fixed the first and last one. "i.e." is being used correctly. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:16, May 1, 2021 (EDT)
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| [[File:PMTTYD Spend Days Again Peach.png|thumb|File history indicates an HD texture pack was used.]]
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| I did upload images recently claiming HD texture packs are against policy, but it isn't explicitly stated. In the spirit of this policy page as well as not having to engage [[MarioWiki:Don't shoot your foot off]], I believe this should also be noted more directly. Not to be confused with [[Wii U]] and [[Nintendo Switch]] capable of HD output, which is official, through {{wp|HDMI}}. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 09:33, May 25, 2024 (EDT)
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