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| Is there a full list of all the Mario games on the Wiki somewhere? And what about [[Game & Watch]] mini-games? Are they to be counted too? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] | | Is there a full list of all the Mario games on the Wiki somewhere? And what about [[Game & Watch]] mini-games? Are they to be counted too? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] |
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| [[List of games|Games]].{{User:Knife/sig}} 20:20, 26 January 2008 (EST) | | [[Games]].{{User:Knife/sig}} 20:20, 26 January 2008 (EST) |
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| :This is very, very late, I know, but I just played [[Game & Watch Gallery 4]], and the premise is that Mario and friends are putting on a faire/circus called, "Mario's Show." In that case, all of the minigames happen at the same time, I would suppose. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:55, 29 July 2008 (EDT) | | :This is very, very late, I know, but I just played [[Game & Watch Gallery 4]], and the premise is that Mario and friends are putting on a faire/circus called, "Mario's Show." In that case, all of the minigames happen at the same time, I would suppose. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:55, 29 July 2008 (EDT) |
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| :That's a holdover from when our main policy-maker was hellbent on making the wiki international-based, rather than America-biased. The followup to [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki%3AChronology&diff=491215&oldid=432312 this policy's rewriting] was a proposal that went so far as to use the names and boxarts from the first English/international release (i.e. "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation" instead of "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy" since it came out in the PAL region first), but that's since been vetoed by the wiki's proprietor to reflect the fact that most of our readers are North American and for search/traffic purposes and whatnot, it's better to cater to the most people (it's also simpler and more consistent than a mash of NA and PAL names, since most folks don't memorize which games came out first where and wouldn't recognize that there ''was'' a systematic basis to it all). Anyway, I agree that using the first release date, period, regardless of region, would be clearer and more objective (and I think we're already doing it that way anyway, just haven't reworded the policy page). As for time zones, my knee-jerk reaction was "too complicated/detailed", but I suppose all that really amounts to is fixing the order as "''Japan -> Australia -> Europe -> NA''", which seems perfectly reasonable to me. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 16:01, 14 May 2014 (EDT) | | :That's a holdover from when our main policy-maker was hellbent on making the wiki international-based, rather than America-biased. The followup to [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki%3AChronology&diff=491215&oldid=432312 this policy's rewriting] was a proposal that went so far as to use the names and boxarts from the first English/international release (i.e. "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation" instead of "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy" since it came out in the PAL region first), but that's since been vetoed by the wiki's proprietor to reflect the fact that most of our readers are North American and for search/traffic purposes and whatnot, it's better to cater to the most people (it's also simpler and more consistent than a mash of NA and PAL names, since most folks don't memorize which games came out first where and wouldn't recognize that there ''was'' a systematic basis to it all). Anyway, I agree that using the first release date, period, regardless of region, would be clearer and more objective (and I think we're already doing it that way anyway, just haven't reworded the policy page). As for time zones, my knee-jerk reaction was "too complicated/detailed", but I suppose all that really amounts to is fixing the order as "''Japan -> Australia -> Europe -> NA''", which seems perfectly reasonable to me. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 16:01, 14 May 2014 (EDT) |
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| == Grammar ==
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| "Another version of Mario's birth have been depicted in Super Mario Momotarō."
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| "Another version of Mario's birth ''has'' been depicted in Super Mario Momotarō."
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| Thank you. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:20, 3 February 2019 (EST)
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| :Fixed. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:36, 3 February 2019 (EST)
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| ==MAJOR rethinking needed==
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| It might just be me, but this page makes ''no'' sense. First off, I don't think there even ''can'' be a chronology (as far as the Mario Wiki is concerned). As [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] says, only official things are canon. If this is the case, and there is no ''official'' canon, then there is, to that effect, '''no canon'''. So I don't feel this page should even ''exist''. And even if you don't take that viewpoint, I at ''least'' think we should rethink "everything official is at the same level of canon" to "everything official is at the same level of canon, but sometimes in ''different canons''", so that if there ''must'' be a chronology, at least we can explain discrepancies. For example, ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' takes place in a different canon than ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''.
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| Tell me what you think. [[User:JoeRunner|JoeRunner]] ([[User talk:JoeRunner|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/JoeRunner|and stuff]]) 17:00, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :I don't know what point you're attempting to make as this pages makes a point of repeating over and over (excruciatingly so) that Mario does not have a strong chronology, that the wiki is not making a value judgement on the validity of different works and that it's not trying to map out a Definitive Mario Timeline, and that the page exists to set a standard on how to order game sections on pages.
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| If you think the current way of listing things is wrong, in what ways do you find it problematic and how do you propose it can be improved? --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 17:33, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::I think you're misreading the page. This page is not about anything relating to canon, it't just about the order sections should be placed in articles. It has absolutely nothing to do with the chronology in the franchise which does not even exist. And as said before, there is no canon at all, so there is not any different canons, either. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:47, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| Okay. I just saw that it said that ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island|Yoshi's Island]]'' is the first game in the series, and certain other games take place after certain other games (and not just sorted by release date), so I thought you were trying to establish said timeline. Also, to that extent, I thought it would be applicable on ''this'' page for the same reason - that there is no canon and so there is no timeline. Sorry about that. [[User:JoeRunner|JoeRunner]] ([[User talk:JoeRunner|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/JoeRunner|and stuff]]) 18:13, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| =="Direct sequels"==
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| The "direct sequels" section of this policy seems pretty outdated and not actually followed, nor do I think it should be followed. It states that Mario Land and Mario Land 2 both being part of the Super Mario Land series means their information is to be next to each other and separated from games like SMB3, but we merged the Super Mario Land series page with the Super Mario series page a while ago, and over on [[history of Mario]], SMB3 is between the Land games in the Super Mario series section without seeming to cause much harm. Similarly, New Super Mario Bros. Wii is placed between the Galaxy games. I'm not really sure what the benefit would be anyway of ensuring sequels are always put next to each other, especially since the only criteria for deciding whether it's a "direct" sequel or not appears to be the story, and this very policy asserts that "the section order itself cannot be changed to reflect the chronology". So I propose we just get rid of that "Direct sequels" section. <small>Also I can't help but mention "sequentially released games like Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart: Double Dash!!" what is this Super Circuit erasure</small> {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:08, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Small correction, it's actually Mario World that goes between the Mario Land games, so the SMB3 thing is just another of the policy's errors. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:02, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Can an admin please remove the "direct sequels" section of the policy? Or is further discussion needed? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:21, July 8, 2024 (EDT)
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