Editing MarioWiki:Featured articles/N1/Vivian

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==== Support ====
#{{User|DaisyLuigi}} This article is very well written. It includes well-written history, a great foreign language template, and the pictures are a good size, and have reasonable captions. Overall, it's a great article that is very popular in [[Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door]], where she is a main character, so I support.
#{{User|Ashley and Red}}
#{{User|Fluffy_Bluff_Galaxy}}
#{{User|Tails777}}
#{{User|Fandro}}

==== Oppose ====
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Like you said there are a few things that need to be fixed. Until these problems are fixed the article cannot be featured.

==== Removal of Opposes ====
'''Yoshi876'''
#{{User|DaisyLuigi}} Everything has been cleared up, all the information that needed to be worked on is done.
#{{User|Mario}} The "issues" are not specified, so the vote is invalid.

==== Comments ====
Having "a few things that need to be fixed" is dealbreaker for me. If they were fixed, I'd support. But for now, I'm not voting. {{User:Bluetoad63/sig}} 11:27, 11 April 2014 (EDT)

Okay. I will fix some of the bad edits. {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}

The edits are fixed! It looks better now. {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}
:You did one tiny edit, that hardly counts as fixing the problems. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:I'll do more. It's such a great article though, and there isn't much more to edit. {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}

I suggest to trin her "Gender" section...and delete some refs{{User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig}}
:Okay, then will you support? {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}
::Yes, I am OK with it now. {{User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig}}

:::Removing perfectly good information is a ''horrible'' way to go about "improving" a page. The gender stuff is important and interesting, and at only two paragraphs,it's not too large at all, it's just thorough, which is a good thing. And if anything, the extensive references are one of the page's strengths: citations give the wiki credibility and make us more professional-grade, and in this case in particular, having hard video proof and our own original translation work stops people from baselessly trying to white-wash the gender stuff, since we can say "uh, no, it's real, leave it alone". - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 20:33, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
::::Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't sure. {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}

it is nice but they still need to fix the mistke for the Japan part of the page other then that it's 90 - of 100 {{unsigned|Grand Master Gamer}}

:@Grand Master Gamer, What exactly do you mean by "The Japanese Part"? Do you mean the names in different languages? {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}

::No, the user just takes issue with the transgender stuff, but that's their problem, not the article's. (This is a good example of why the page does need all those references, tho.) - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 20:17, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

i mean that the gander part at the end of the japan version Gommbella said that vivian was 100% female and that bedam was being a bully  how can any one take Beldum that is a bully as canon she was bullying vivian and Goombella toke it the worng way all so goomebella is not all that reliable because she called a person by gender base on what other people side also she called hooktail a guy just becasue the othe people called him a dude but it run's out that hooktail is a she when gloom tail she you killed my little sister right after they said hooks tail name also goomebella did not change her info so if she caN make a mistake on someone gender then why could she not mistake Vivain gender as well {{unsigned|Grand Master Gamer}}
:What? {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:53, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

*Hooktail being referred as a male is more likely a mistake on the game's part rather than Goombella's being wrong.
*As 'kazo said, "Beldam calling Vivian a boy was [..] meant to be taken literally", so it's not just an insult to Vivian's femininity, it's to mock Vivian's identification with femininity.
*To be frank, it's a chore to read your posts, so if I'm making the wrong argument, I'm interpreting your writing rather than reading it, and it's a lot of effort.. {{User:Mario/sig}} 00:05, 10 May 2014 (EDT)