Editing MarioWiki:Featured articles/N1/Rank

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==== Support ====
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} The article has pretty much everything that is needed of it; all level requirements, all rank-up bonuses (along with when they're available). I think it is also organised in a way that is simple to understand (for instance, seperating the original and remake versions, rather than having them crammed together), and has images of at least one rank-up screen from every game it is in. If there is anything else that should be done, please say so, but as of now I do like the way the article looks.

==== Oppose ====
#{{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}} See my issues stated in the comments, while the article isn't of irredeemable quality with decent detail for what each bonus does, its amount of images and sprites is lacking for areas it shouldn't be, like the sprites for the different ranks being absent for Dream Team and Paper Jam, and it has a short gallery. While still a competent and not exactly poor quality article, very little goes ''above and beyond'' like a featured article should.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per TTFOH. It unfortunately isn't ''quite'' good enough to be featured yet.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Feels too short and light on content to be a FA.

==== Removal of opposes ====

==== Comments ====
I don't think the empty notes sections look good. Could you add more information on which characters can get the ranks, especially in ''Paper Jam''? {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 14:35, April 23, 2021 (EDT)
:Most of these look like there isn't much to say other than basically repeating what is in the descriptions. Both Bros can get all the ranks and bonuses in all games (which I think is already self-explainatory), while the Paper Jam notes already mention which rank bonuses are exclusive to certain characters. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 14:45, April 23, 2021 (EDT)
::I still agree with Ray Trace on that the Paper Jam section would look better if divided into two sections based on whether each of the three characters can get it, or only Paper Mario can get it, as that would look better and less redundant than constantly saying “Only Paper Mario can get this bonus.” {{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}}, 17:44 EST, April 25, 2021
:::Like how people felt about my nomination for Hotel Mario at this point in the nomination, while I may vote for this as a featured article as there are some good things about, some improvements like what I said should be made. {{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}}, 17:45 EST, April 25, 2021
::::Or sort into three categories, “For Mario Bros. only”, “For Paper Mario only” or “For all three as actually this would be better than what I suggested before (as sometimes Paper Mario can’t have a certain rank power). {{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}}, 19:59, April 25, 2021 EST

The intro could be expanded. It's only two sentences long and it won't exactly fit the infobox in the main page. Also, do the rank-up bonuses contain images? Because if there are dedicated icons detailing the Badge Stock +1, then they should be in the article. The remake for Bowser's Inside Story could also use images for its rankings. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:43, April 25, 2021 (EDT)
:Rank-up bonuses don't have dedicated icons in any of the games, but I did find [[:File:M&LDTBadges1.png|this image]] of the Badge Stock +1 in effect, if that could be put in the Dream Team section somewhere. Regarding the intro, I'm thinking a few ways to expand it would be to include examples of common rewards from rank increases between the games (more gear slots, being able to shop in certain places), mentioning how starting in Dream Team you can choose which bonus you want with two being able to be chosen at the last rank, noting the amount of ranks the games have. Just trying to think of ways that wouldn't repeat what is said further down the article too much. What do you think about that? {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 16:09, April 25, 2021 (EDT)
::I don't know much about the games too well so I trust you to make the necessary expansion to the intro. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 16:27, April 25, 2021 (EDT)

Good, you did what I suggested with putting the characters eligible in Paper Jam. The only other things I’d say is that it should show the general image for each three characters’ ranks for Dream Team and Paper Jam like at the beginning of their sections, like with Bowser’s Inside Story and it’s version Bowser Jr’s Journey. That and like Ray Trace said, the ranks should have an image with them for all the games, not just BiS. The last thing is that if possible the images for the Rank-Up Bonuses should be included. {{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}}, 14:00, April 26, 2021 EST
:The images displaying all ranks for the two BIS versions are from the ending screen after the credits, Dream Team and Paper Jam don't have anything like that. The closest there is for those games is when reaching the highest ranks. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 14:11, April 26, 2021 (EDT)

Again, this is one of those articles with some competence that as of right now I'd just expect to like more but don't, mainly because there are still not images of the different rank sprites like the leaf and boomerang rank in Dream Team and Paper Jam next to the description of the available ranks for those games, and the gallery is really weak. Compared to the other article currently in the featured article process, Musée Champignon, this is clearly currently the weaker article as it mostly hovers around to slightly below eight out of ten quality instead of going vastly above it like Musée Champignon does, especially since that article's strength is this article's biggest weakness: its images. Unless the rank sprites are added to Dream Team and Paper Jam and put in a table with the Rank and level you get it for those two games, and the gallery is given more detail, this is something that there is a guarantee I will not vote for. {{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}} 11:05, May 3, 2021 (EST)
:I'm afraid ripping sprites is one thing I can't do. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 11:56, May 3, 2021 (EDT)
::Well, obviously it’s something someone ''could'' do for the ranks in Bowser’s Inside Story (to edit, which I think is a good indicator of this article’s quality and flaws in general). {{User|TasteTheFiresOfHelp}}, 12:32, May 3, 2021 (EST)

Is this proposal essentially...dead? The previous comment is the last one that's been made in over a month, and the article itself hasn't been edited since April. The proposal ends in less than two weeks, is there anything that needs to be done before then? {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 20:08, June 10, 2021 (EDT)
:The latest suggestion was adding more images/sprites of each rank across the games, but that's one thing I can't really do. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 20:22, June 10, 2021 (EDT)
::Ah. I'll see what I can do there. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 20:30, June 10, 2021 (EDT)