Editing Category talk:Ice creatures

...what the hell just happened!? [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 15:02, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
:Errr.... what?
[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]]
::I just spent a good portion of my time working on a category for the ice enemies in Mario, and filling it up. I take a break, and when I come back, the name's changed and I've been completely wiped from the history. I demand an explanation. D:< [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 15:49, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
:::The name was changed. It isn't possible to move categories, so the old had to be deleted and a new to be created. And noone from the old shows up in the history of the new category. Remember, anyone can edit, and by creating content here, you are risking that it is changed somehow. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:12, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
::::So I do all the work and this "Sir Grodus" guy gets all the credit. Is that it? [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 16:17, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::Not entirely. You're still in the history of every page where you have added the category to. But if you want to promote the work you're doing, the history of a page is not the right place. Please do so on your [[Special:Mypage|User Page]] if you have to. That's partly what it can be used for. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:19, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
::::::I don't want to promote it, but I want to let everyone know that it was ''me'' who started this thing. Now, everyone's gonna praise whoever the **** that "Sir Grodus" is for this, and I'm gonna get pushed aside! And I am sick of that happening! [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 16:23, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::::1. Swearing is monitored. There are little children around.
:::::::2. This is not as important as you are putting it. Sir Grodus is the wiki's top contributor by far, he won't get any additional praise for it. At the same time, you have made pretty clear here that the idea was from you.
::::::: - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:43, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::::: 1. Since when has "hell" been a swear word?
:::::::: Och, you know what? Forget it. If this Sir Grodus is as wonderful as you say, he can have the topic. I don't care anymore. [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 17:11, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
::::::::For goodness sakes, what is the big deal!? He moves it, so what? Just gives you more enjoyment in editing the pages again so they have this category. :D {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:::::::::"The big deal" is that my topic has been stolen! And, maybe you freaks are different, but I don't enjoy it when my work is being attributed to0 someone else, I'm not a bleeding ghostwriter! >:( [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 18:09, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
:::::::::I didn't make any comment on Sir Grodus's "wonderful"ness. I don't know him. I only know he leads the UserScore. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:12, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
::::::::::"Sir Grodus is the wiki's top contributor by far, he won't get any additional praise for it." [[User:Davidk92|Davidk92]] 15:10, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

==Do something about this category==
{{TPP}}
The definition of "Ice Creature" here seems pretty loose in comparison to say, [[:Category:Poisonous Creatures]]. We aren't classifying [[Snufit]], [[Monty Mole]], or [[Swoop]] as poisonous because they're found in the toxic maze of [[Hazy Maze Cave]], why should we count [[Moneybag]], [[Pompy]], and [[Penguin|many]] [[Tucks|examples]] [[Bumpty|of]] [[Penguin (enemy)|penguins]] as Ice Creatures? They aren't made of ice, they don't utilize ice in any way, and many of them aren't even found around ice. The whole thing is a misnomer. It should solely refer to creatures made of ice, or that use ice to attack. This also applies to [[:Category:Fire Creatures]] in regards to fire. If this succeeds, the tenuously-included "creatures that live around ice" will be removed from here, and the same will go for the fiery counterpart (unless that requires a separate proposal).

'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline''': Septermber 7, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} People seem to be finding more and more pointless or poorly executed categories lately. Per proposal.
#{{User|Alex95}} - [[Penguin Mario]]...?

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Out of curiosity, do [[Snow Guy]]s make the cut? They're not ice-based creatures themselves, but they throw snowballs to attack. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:55, 24 August 2017 (EDT)
:Yes, Snow Guys and Penguin Mario would both still count, since they utilize ice, and as such are intrinsically linked to ice, with the same going for [[Ice Bro.]] and [[Skowl]]. I consider that to be ice-based, while things like [[Bumpty]] only have the habitat, and therefore are not "ice creatures." I'm basing how I want this done off of how [[:Category:Electrical Creatures]] and [[:Category:Poisonous Creatures]] work (as well as the "Protoplasmic and slime-using enemies" on my projects page); they either are related by composition or by attack. Not by locale. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 16:24, 24 August 2017 (CT)
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 ==Do something about this category==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|10-0|trim categories}}
 The definition of "Ice Creature" here seems pretty loose in comparison to say, [[:Category:Poisonous Creatures]]. We aren't classifying [[Snufit]], [[Monty Mole]], or [[Swoop]] as poisonous because they're found in the toxic maze of [[Hazy Maze Cave]], why should we count [[Moneybag]], [[Pompy]], and [[Penguin|many]] [[Tucks|examples]] [[Bumpty|of]] [[Penguin (enemy)|penguins]] as Ice Creatures? They aren't made of ice, they don't utilize ice in any way, and many of them aren't even found around ice. The whole thing is a misnomer. It should solely refer to creatures made of ice, or that use ice to attack. This also applies to [[:Category:Fire Creatures]] in regards to fire. If this succeeds, the tenuously-included "creatures that live around ice" will be removed from here, and the same will go for the fiery counterpart (unless that requires a separate proposal).
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 #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
 #{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} People seem to be finding more and more pointless or poorly executed categories lately. Per proposal.
-#{{User|Alex95}} - Per all.
+#{{User|Alex95}} - [[Penguin Mario]]...?
-#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all.
-#{{User|7feetunder}} The way this is defined now, we might as well include [[Fryguy]].
-#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.
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 Out of curiosity, do [[Snow Guy]]s make the cut? They're not ice-based creatures themselves, but they throw snowballs to attack. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:55, 24 August 2017 (EDT)
 :Yes, Snow Guys and Penguin Mario would both still count, since they utilize ice, and as such are intrinsically linked to ice, with the same going for [[Ice Bro.]] and [[Skowl]]. I consider that to be ice-based, while things like [[Bumpty]] only have the habitat, and therefore are not "ice creatures." I'm basing how I want this done off of how [[:Category:Electrical Creatures]] and [[:Category:Poisonous Creatures]] work (as well as the "Protoplasmic and slime-using enemies" on my projects page); they either are related by composition or by attack. Not by locale. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 16:24, 24 August 2017 (CT)
-::Alright, if we're classifying the enemies based on the ices powers they use as well, I'll change my reason. I thought the creatures had to be ''made'' of ice, or at least have some relation to it like an actual penguin, but being based around ice or ice powers makes sense. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:34, 24 August 2017 (EDT)
-:::Isn't the point of the proposal that merely being in the presence of ice does not automatically make something an "ice creature"? Besides being commonly seen next to ice, I can't think of how actual penguins relate to ice. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2017 (EDT)