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:::::::Yes, per Time Q. That's what I meant. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | :::::::Yes, per Time Q. That's what I meant. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | ||
15:15, 30 March 2008 (EDT) | 15:15, 30 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:I am not going to vote on this proposal, but rather I will sugget something else entirely. "Damsels" could be confusing to some people so no category should be named that, but "Characters in need of rescue" is far too long to be the name of a category. There are already so many categoryies already, so I propose that we just get rid of the category altogether. I know the category doesn't exist as of now, but why create it at {{ | :I am not going to vote on this proposal, but rather I will sugget something else entirely. "Damsels" could be confusing to some people so no category should be named that, but "Characters in need of rescue" is far too long to be the name of a category. There are already so many categoryies already, so I propose that we just get rid of the category altogether. I know the category doesn't exist as of now, but why create it at {{fakelink|all??|Sorry St00by D:}} {{User:Glitchman/sig}} | ||
::[[:Category:Hostages]] does exist. What about calling it, uh, "Kidnapped Characters"? How does that sound to native speakers? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:50, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | ::[[:Category:Hostages]] does exist. What about calling it, uh, "Kidnapped Characters"? How does that sound to native speakers? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:50, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Evidently a lot happened since I was gone. Okay, so let me try to get this sorted out. I didn't expect the Damsel Category to get changed while I was gone, (which is evidently why I made the proposal). The original "new" title I came up with is WAY too long, but it was all I could think of in the time I had to write it; that's why I changed that particular part of the proposal. So, [[User:Time Q|Time Q]]: The category should '''not''' be retitled '''Category:Characters in Need of Rescue''', because it is too long. Since [[User:Booster|Booster]] changed it to '''Hostages''', that's an improvement. Although I have to say that that's still not quite right. Possibly, the category's name could be changed to '''Category:Captives'''; that term is more fitting. ''Definition: One that is held against his/her own will.'' I've spent all morning looking up synonyms and definitions for "Hostage", and "Captive" is the best one I can find. (Thanks to [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|PGB]] for the idea.) And, as was discussed earlier, "Hostage": ''Definition: Victim of a kidnapper who will be returned via the payment of ransom.'' So, grammatically speaking, the best category name we probably have is '''Category:Captives'''. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Glitchman, thou art still my friend. ;)}} | :::Evidently a lot happened since I was gone. Okay, so let me try to get this sorted out. I didn't expect the Damsel Category to get changed while I was gone, (which is evidently why I made the proposal). The original "new" title I came up with is WAY too long, but it was all I could think of in the time I had to write it; that's why I changed that particular part of the proposal. So, [[User:Time Q|Time Q]]: The category should '''not''' be retitled '''Category:Characters in Need of Rescue''', because it is too long. Since [[User:Booster|Booster]] changed it to '''Hostages''', that's an improvement. Although I have to say that that's still not quite right. Possibly, the category's name could be changed to '''Category:Captives'''; that term is more fitting. ''Definition: One that is held against his/her own will.'' I've spent all morning looking up synonyms and definitions for "Hostage", and "Captive" is the best one I can find. (Thanks to [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|PGB]] for the idea.) And, as was discussed earlier, "Hostage": ''Definition: Victim of a kidnapper who will be returned via the payment of ransom.'' So, grammatically speaking, the best category name we probably have is '''Category:Captives'''. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Glitchman, thou art still my friend. ;)}} | ||
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16:54, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | 16:54, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
::::Once it pulls through, we should probably let a 'Crat decide which title would be more fitting. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} | ::::Once it pulls through, we should probably let a 'Crat decide which title would be more fitting. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} | ||
:::::Well, technically, '''Category:Characters in Need of Rescue''' isn't as long as some categories. [[:Category:Characters who break the Fourth Wall]], [[:Category:Characters from other Nintendo games]], Category:Characters who have kissed Mario, and many others are quite long. So maybe that would be the best term, since it is accurate. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} | :::::Well, technically, '''Category:Characters in Need of Rescue''' isn't as long as some categories. [[:Category:Characters who break the Fourth Wall]], [[:Category:Characters from other Nintendo games]], [[:Category:Characters who have kissed Mario]], and many others are quite long. So maybe that would be the best term, since it is accurate. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} | ||
::::::The problem I see with "Captives" is that it would also include people put in prison. Don't know if there are any in Marioverse, but that's definitely something else than a character "taken away" by another character. "Kidnapped Characters" would limit the category to ''characters'', so [[Subcon (species)]], which is currently listed as a "hostage", would not fit in anymore. If we went for this name, we should simply call it "Kidnapped". "Characters in Need of Rescue", well, aside from the "character" point I mentioned above, is long, but I don't think it's too long (see the examples Stooben pointed out). A shorter name, however, would be better imho. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT) Have we ever thought such a long time about a category name? ;) | ::::::The problem I see with "Captives" is that it would also include people put in prison. Don't know if there are any in Marioverse, but that's definitely something else than a character "taken away" by another character. "Kidnapped Characters" would limit the category to ''characters'', so [[Subcon (species)]], which is currently listed as a "hostage", would not fit in anymore. If we went for this name, we should simply call it "Kidnapped". "Characters in Need of Rescue", well, aside from the "character" point I mentioned above, is long, but I don't think it's too long (see the examples Stooben pointed out). A shorter name, however, would be better imho. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT) Have we ever thought such a long time about a category name? ;) | ||
:::::::Mmm...good point. So, in that case, it should just be retitled '''Category:In Need Of Rescue''', if I'm not mistaken. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|I don't think we have thought this hard on a category name! It's wild! XD}} | :::::::Mmm...good point. So, in that case, it should just be retitled '''Category:In Need Of Rescue''', if I'm not mistaken. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|I don't think we have thought this hard on a category name! It's wild! XD}} | ||
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:Nintendo called Mario a "damsel" in Luigi's Mansion. While normally, damsel means female only, there are some cases where it can mean both genders. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 11:42, 4 April 2008 (EDT) | :Nintendo called Mario a "damsel" in Luigi's Mansion. While normally, damsel means female only, there are some cases where it can mean both genders. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 11:42, 4 April 2008 (EDT) | ||
::<nowiki>*shakes head*</nowiki> I NEVER expected this proposal to get so out of hand! It's come to the point where I'm about to withdraw my vote completely because it's gotten so confusing. It was supposed to be a simple name change, but because everyone has different opinions and definitions on words' meanings, that it hasn't even been confirmed as to what the category should be renamed to. I think I've got to side with Time Q with this one due to the circumstances. The proposal, no doubt, should be removed. All comments and ideas on the renaming of this category should be moved [[Category talk:Hostages|here]]. Everyone should come up with there own ideas on what name is the most fitting rename and see how many votes it gets in two weeks or so. Even then, I'm still sticking with my last suggestion since it isn't biased, sexist, racist, and refers to the past tense in the correct manner. I still can't believe some simple rename turned into such a fiasco. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Mama-mia...}} | ::<nowiki>*shakes head*</nowiki> I NEVER expected this proposal to get so out of hand! It's come to the point where I'm about to withdraw my vote completely because it's gotten so confusing. It was supposed to be a simple name change, but because everyone has different opinions and definitions on words' meanings, that it hasn't even been confirmed as to what the category should be renamed to. I think I've got to side with Time Q with this one due to the circumstances. The proposal, no doubt, should be removed. All comments and ideas on the renaming of this category should be moved [[Category talk:Hostages|here]]. Everyone should come up with there own ideas on what name is the most fitting rename and see how many votes it gets in two weeks or so. Even then, I'm still sticking with my last suggestion since it isn't biased, sexist, racist, and refers to the past tense in the correct manner. I still can't believe some simple rename turned into such a fiasco. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Mama-mia...}} | ||