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:::::::Yes, per Time Q. That's what I meant. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | :::::::Yes, per Time Q. That's what I meant. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} | ||
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:I am not going to vote on this proposal, but rather I will sugget something else entirely. "Damsels" could be confusing to some people so no category should be named that, but "Characters in need of rescue" is far too long to be the name of a category. There are already so many categoryies already, so I propose that we just get rid of the category altogether. I know the category doesn't exist as of now, but why create it at {{ | :I am not going to vote on this proposal, but rather I will sugget something else entirely. "Damsels" could be confusing to some people so no category should be named that, but "Characters in need of rescue" is far too long to be the name of a category. There are already so many categoryies already, so I propose that we just get rid of the category altogether. I know the category doesn't exist as of now, but why create it at {{fakelink|all??|Sorry St00by D:}} {{User:Glitchman/sig}} | ||
::[[:Category:Hostages]] does exist. What about calling it, uh, "Kidnapped Characters"? How does that sound to native speakers? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:50, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | ::[[:Category:Hostages]] does exist. What about calling it, uh, "Kidnapped Characters"? How does that sound to native speakers? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:50, 31 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Evidently a lot happened since I was gone. Okay, so let me try to get this sorted out. I didn't expect the Damsel Category to get changed while I was gone, (which is evidently why I made the proposal). The original "new" title I came up with is WAY too long, but it was all I could think of in the time I had to write it; that's why I changed that particular part of the proposal. So, [[User:Time Q|Time Q]]: The category should '''not''' be retitled '''Category:Characters in Need of Rescue''', because it is too long. Since [[User:Booster|Booster]] changed it to '''Hostages''', that's an improvement. Although I have to say that that's still not quite right. Possibly, the category's name could be changed to '''Category:Captives'''; that term is more fitting. ''Definition: One that is held against his/her own will.'' I've spent all morning looking up synonyms and definitions for "Hostage", and "Captive" is the best one I can find. (Thanks to [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|PGB]] for the idea.) And, as was discussed earlier, "Hostage": ''Definition: Victim of a kidnapper who will be returned via the payment of ransom.'' So, grammatically speaking, the best category name we probably have is '''Category:Captives'''. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Glitchman, thou art still my friend. ;)}} | :::Evidently a lot happened since I was gone. Okay, so let me try to get this sorted out. I didn't expect the Damsel Category to get changed while I was gone, (which is evidently why I made the proposal). The original "new" title I came up with is WAY too long, but it was all I could think of in the time I had to write it; that's why I changed that particular part of the proposal. So, [[User:Time Q|Time Q]]: The category should '''not''' be retitled '''Category:Characters in Need of Rescue''', because it is too long. Since [[User:Booster|Booster]] changed it to '''Hostages''', that's an improvement. Although I have to say that that's still not quite right. Possibly, the category's name could be changed to '''Category:Captives'''; that term is more fitting. ''Definition: One that is held against his/her own will.'' I've spent all morning looking up synonyms and definitions for "Hostage", and "Captive" is the best one I can find. (Thanks to [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|PGB]] for the idea.) And, as was discussed earlier, "Hostage": ''Definition: Victim of a kidnapper who will be returned via the payment of ransom.'' So, grammatically speaking, the best category name we probably have is '''Category:Captives'''. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Glitchman, thou art still my friend. ;)}} | ||
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:::Both captives and hostages seem fine to me. I like the word hostages more, but I have no particular preference. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 18:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC) | :::Both captives and hostages seem fine to me. I like the word hostages more, but I have no particular preference. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 18:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Rename to Kidnapped == | == Rename to either Captive or Kidnapped == | ||
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In my opinion 'Hostages' sounds too dark for the ''Mario series'', so I propose that we rename it to either 'Captives' or 'Kidnapped. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshi876}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshi876}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 14, 2013, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': July 14, 2013, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Rename to Captive=== | |||
#<s>{{User|Yoshi876}} Although 'kidnapped' would probably work it does sound more for when a child is taken, 'Captive' is more broad.</s> | |||
#{{User|A Paragoomba and the Koopa Bros.}} Per Yoshi876 | |||
===Rename to Kidnapped=== | ===Rename to Kidnapped=== | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} Kidnapped doesn't sound that bad. Plus the Mario series itself does use the term Kidnapped more than captive and hostage. | #{{User|Tails777}} Kidnapped doesn't sound that bad. Plus the Mario series itself does use the term Kidnapped more than captive and hostage. | ||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Tails777, the New Super Mario Bros. Wii hand-booklet refers to it as a kidnapping and as it's supplied by Nintendo it is sort of official. Our wiki even uses the term kidnapped in most articles on games. ''Mario/Luigi goes to investigate, but while he is there, Bowser Jr. sneaks behind a bush, kidnaps Peach and flees.'' from New Super Mario Bros. and ''Meanwhile, Bowser and his Koopalings trap Yoshi's friends in eggs and kidnap Princess Toadstool.'' from Super Mario World. | #{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Tails777, the New Super Mario Bros. Wii hand-booklet refers to it as a kidnapping and as it's supplied by Nintendo it is sort of official. Our wiki even uses the term kidnapped in most articles on games. ''Mario/Luigi goes to investigate, but while he is there, Bowser Jr. sneaks behind a bush, kidnaps Peach and flees.'' from New Super Mario Bros. and ''Meanwhile, Bowser and his Koopalings trap Yoshi's friends in eggs and kidnap Princess Toadstool.'' from Super Mario World. | ||
===Keep current name=== | ===Keep current name=== | ||
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#{{User|Mario4Ever}} I don't see a problem with the current name. In fact, one definition of hostage is someone taken with the intent of making someone act (or prevent them from acting) a certain way, and it could be argued that Bowser/whoever does that to Mario. Whether or not that's the case, there isn't much semantically different between the current name and your proposed replacements. | #{{User|Mario4Ever}} I don't see a problem with the current name. In fact, one definition of hostage is someone taken with the intent of making someone act (or prevent them from acting) a certain way, and it could be argued that Bowser/whoever does that to Mario. Whether or not that's the case, there isn't much semantically different between the current name and your proposed replacements. | ||
#{{User|Vommack}} Too dark? Darker things have been tackled in Mario, and as Mario4Ever said, it's a pointless rename. | #{{User|Vommack}} Too dark? Darker things have been tackled in Mario, and as Mario4Ever said, it's a pointless rename. | ||
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::::First off we all make mistakes, I was commenting and changing my vote it simply slipped my mind. Secondly, there is nowhere where I stated about feel apart from below and you simply asked how ''Captive'' is less dark than ''Hostage'' and I provided an example, I am not basing my entire argument off love. {{User|Yoshi876}} | ::::First off we all make mistakes, I was commenting and changing my vote it simply slipped my mind. Secondly, there is nowhere where I stated about feel apart from below and you simply asked how ''Captive'' is less dark than ''Hostage'' and I provided an example, I am not basing my entire argument off love. {{User|Yoshi876}} | ||
:::::You didn't explicitly say feel, but that's what this whole thing is. Your argument is that hostage is "too dark". How is that not related to how it "feels"? Your love example was completely irrelevant; the use of a word as an idiom doesn't support an objective argument. {{User|Vommack}} | :::::You didn't explicitly say feel, but that's what this whole thing is. Your argument is that hostage is "too dark". How is that not related to how it "feels"? Your love example was completely irrelevant; the use of a word as an idiom doesn't support an objective argument. {{User|Vommack}} | ||
@Sinaco Just because it doesn't sound like a Mario term doesn't mean it has less value, and so what ''Kidnapped'' doesn't have the same feel we're not voting on which name sounds cooler. {{User|Yoshi876}} | @Sinaco Just because it doesn't sound like a Mario term doesn't mean it has less value, and so what ''Kidnapped'' doesn't have the same feel we're not voting on which name sounds cooler. {{User|Yoshi876}} | ||
:Well, on your way of thinking, "Hostage" meaning Terrorism and Darkness to you is just personal and changing it really wont solve anything. "Captive" or "Kidnapped" does not change it anyway. Instead of using adjectives like kidnapped or captive, it is better to leave it as s well noun that describes their situation, "Hostages", is fine! {{User|Sinanco}} | :Well, on your way of thinking, "Hostage" meaning Terrorism and Darkness to you is just personal and changing it really wont solve anything. "Captive" or "Kidnapped" does not change it anyway. Instead of using adjectives like kidnapped or captive, it is better to leave it as s well noun that describes their situation, "Hostages", is fine! {{User|Sinanco}} | ||