Editing Category talk:Felines


==Rename to Category:Cats==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|green|rename 11-0}}
I think this should be renamed because we need simple names because their some people out there who might not what "Feline" means.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Randombob-omb4761}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 16th, 2013, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per Proposal.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} The names of navigational categories should be as simple as possible.
#{{User|Megadardery}} Simpler
#{{User|Icemario11}} Per Yoshi876.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Simpler is better.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} We have a category called "Birds" if this doesn't pass, let's rename "birds" to "avian reptiles".
#{{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all. Simplicity is bliss :)
#{{User|Scr7}} Per the above
#{{User|World10}} Sounds better, per all.
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} &ndash; Per Yoshi876 and Walkazo.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
'''@Baby Luigi:''' "Avian reptiles"? What? Do you even know what you're talking about? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:[http://www.birds.cornell.edu/Publications/Birdscope/Autumn2008/feathered_dinosaurs.html Yes] {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:39, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
::Dinosaurs aren't even reptiles. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::Um, yes they are definitely reptiles. You're confusing "lizards" with "reptiles" (dinosaurs are NOT lizards). Wikipedia: "''Although the word dinosaur means "terrible lizard", the name is somewhat misleading, as dinosaurs are not lizards. Instead, they represent a separate group of reptiles"'' <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 21:41, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Reptilia is actually a paraphyletic group that excludes bird but includes dinosaurs - but then Dinosauria itself ''does'' include Aves, meaning birds are dinosaurs, and dinos are reptiles, but birds ''aren't'' reptiles. It's pretty screwy, and most scientists actually avoid paraphyletic groupings for that reason (and other, more sciency reasons, but I'll skip those details), preferring to stick to monophyletic groups like Sauropsida ("lizard faces", which doesn't exclude birds from the otherwise reptilian group). [http://i.imgur.com/HiYqMx6.png Here's a picture I made for a class last year] that shows all the relevant groupings. (Squamata is where the lizards and snakes are, btw; Testudines is turtles, but their exact placement is still up for debate.) - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:27, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::Very interesting. Who'd knew I would know a bit about bird taxonomy in a Mario encyclopedia? Thanks for the education. Birds fascinate me. I wish I could study birds all day, especially in the field.<br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:32, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

== Rename to Category:Felines ==

{{TPP}}

The category at large currently encompasses characters based on animals not always intuitively understood to be "cats", a term interpreted by some to exclusively refer to ''{{wp|Felis catus}}''. It includes characters based on [[King Totomesu|lion]]s, [[Giant Wildclaw|tiger]]s, and [[Jaxi|jaguar]]s. Personally, I like this broad application, but I suspect it makes the category a little unclear to some users, especially since we have a [[:Category:Canines|Category:Canines]] in place of a "Category:Dogs". Despite the prior proposal, I think "feline" is a fairly common word in English (or is at least as common as "canine"), and is a more serviceable name for the scope of this category. I would like to change it back.

(Additional note: In scientific zoologic nomenclature, "feline" more narrowly refers to members of {{wp|Felinae}}, which excludes the big roaring cats like lions and tigers. "Canine" more narrowly refers to {{wp|Caninae}}, which includes all living members of the dog family. Neither use reflect how those words are used in normal parlance. I think they would be fine for Super Mario Wiki. However, for those who adopt a similar view, a potentially alternative would be to adopt "Category:Felids" and "Category:Canids". These are the terms used in scientific nomenclature for the members of the cat family {{wp|Felidae}} and dog family {{wp|Canidae}}, respectively.)

I offer four options.

#'''Rename Category:Cats to Category:Felines'''
#'''Rename Category:Canines to Category:Dogs'''
#'''Rename Category:Cats to Category:Felids, and Category:Canines to Category:Canids'''
#'''Do nothing'''

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nintendo101}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 24th, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Rename Category:Cats to Category:Felines===
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per proposal.
#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Per proposal, though <s>Category:Dogs</s> Category:Canine should remain as is.
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - ''Felis Ca<s>c</s>tus'' does not include things like tigers. That silly 80s-90s era idea that you can simplify whole families to their most recognizable components is long dead.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per proposal. As the ones who made the original proposal to rename Dogs to Canines, this is honestly ''way'' overdue on our part; and also, uh, we'd like to note that we still cannot take the idea of renaming Canines to Dogs seriously as long as  [[Penkoon|this good boy(???) exists]].
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
#{{User|BMfan08}} Makes enough sense for me. Even if feline sounds confusing to some, it would be wrong to classify, say, [[Spotlion]] as a cat. A big cat, yes, but nothing like some of the housecats that also occupy this category.
#{{User|Arend}} Per all, for the sake of consistency with Category:Canines (which honestly shouldn't be renamed back to Dogs because of the points brought in [[:Category_talk:Canines#Rename_back_to_Category:Canines_.28or_do_something_else.29|this proposal]], and you could honestly say the same things about some of the "cats" in this category too)

===Rename Category:Canines to Category:Dogs===


===Rename Category:Cats to Category:Felids, and Category:Canines to Category:Canids===
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Secondary choice.

===Do nothing===
#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Second choice

===Comments===
I believe you are missing a do nothing option, so I added that with my vote. {{User:DrBaskerville/sig}} 21:38, June 10, 2024 (EDT)
:Thanks. BTW, I think you misunderstood. What was once "Category:Dogs" is currently [[:Category:Canines|Category:Canines]]. I personally do not want that to change, but referring to it as "Category:Dogs" it is just as valid as keeping this "Category:Cats" in my view, so I integrated that as an option for those who want it. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 21:43, June 10, 2024 (EDT)
::Sorry, I understood correctly but mistyped in my reason. Thanks for pointing that out so I could correct it. {{User:DrBaskerville/sig}} 00:51, June 11, 2024 (EDT)