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== Distinction ==
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Why put people in the real world and fictional characters in the same category? Notions that "Satoru Iwata and Cackletta are both deceased" sound weird to me... {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  03:23, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
Why put people in the real world and fictional characters in the same category? Notions that "Satoru Iwata and Cackletta are both deceased" sound weird to me... {{User:A gossip-loving Toad/sig}}  03:23, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Not to mention [[Bob Hoskins]], [[Christopher Collins]], [[Danny Wells]], [[Dennis Hopper]], '''[[Gunpei Yokoi]]''', '''[[Hiroshi Yamauchi]]''', [[Kate Fleming]], and [[Lou Albano]]. I think we should have [[:Category:Deceased (fictional)]] and [[:Category:Deceased (non-fictional)]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 03:35, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Not to mention [[Bob Hoskins]], [[Christopher Collins]], [[Danny Wells]], [[Dennis Hopper]], '''[[Gunpei Yokoi]]''', '''[[Hiroshi Yamauchi]]''', [[Kate Fleming]], and [[Lou Albano]]. I think we should have [[:Category:Deceased (fictional)]] and [[:Category:Deceased (non-fictional)]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 03:35, 19 May 2016 (EDT)


:I don't know why, probably the [[Mariowiki:Users|one]] who put it there felt like it needed to be there but [[Princess Shroob]] and [[Bob Hoskins]] being in a category together doesn't really make sense to me either. I will have a talk with a [[Mariowiki:Administrators|Sysop]] and get something sorted. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 03:55, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:I don't know why, probably the [[Mariowiki:Users|one]] who put it there felt like it needed to be there but [[Princess Shroob]] and [[Bob Hoskins]] being in a category together doesn't really make sense to me either. I will have a talk with a [[Mariowiki:Administrators|Sysop]] and get something sorted. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 03:55, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Hi. I would split this into {{fake link|Category:Deceased characters}} and {{fake link|Category:Deceased people}}. I think it looks better than using parenthesis. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 16:29, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Hi. I would split this into {{fakelink|Category:Deceased characters}} and {{fakelink|Category:Deceased people}}. I think it looks better than using parenthesis. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 16:29, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
::I think there is a problem with that naming scheme. There are fictional people in that list, such as [[Grandma Mario]] and [[Daisy's mother]]. Sure, character and people makes a distinction, but I don't think the distinction is clear enough. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:37, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
::I think there is a problem with that naming scheme. There are fictional people in that list, such as [[Grandma Mario]] and [[Daisy's mother]]. Sure, character and people makes a distinction, but I don't think the distinction is clear enough. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:37, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:::Fair point. Before anything gets done: is this category even necessary? I'm not entirely sure it is. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 16:40, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:::Fair point. Before anything gets done: is this category even necessary? I'm not entirely sure it is. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 16:40, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
::::I don't see why it wouldn't be necessary, Tucayo. It sounds like important info, at least to me, anyway. And those characters are fictional, Wildgoosespeeder, which is what we're trying to make the distinction of. Characters played by real people (Actors) are fictional, but the actors themselves are non-fictional. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:43, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
::::I don't see why it wouldn't be necessary, Tucayo. It sounds like important info, at least to me, anyway. And those characters are fictional, Wildgoosespeeder, which is what we're trying to make the distinction of. Characters played by real people (Actors) are fictional, but the actors themselves are non-fictional. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:43, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Technically these MarioWiki entries about the deceased are correctly categorized, but in a respectful sense (for a lack of a better term), it feels awkward to group fictional and non-fictional entries in the same category. {{user|Alex95}}, I did try to come up with a good naming scheme as mentioned earlier. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:45, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::Oh, my bad. I read that wrong...
:::::Regardless, I think it'd be a good idea. We have a [[List of characters]] and a [[List of people]] for the living, so why not for the dead? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:53, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::Oh boy...this got complicated really fast. Have to be consistent too. In that case, I have nothing. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:56, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, that does look a bit strange, doesn't it? I say we go for the split. It'd be easier for users on the wiki who want to find a non-fictional deceased person in a separate page rather than find them scrambled on a page with several fictional characters. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:30, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, that does look a bit strange, doesn't it? I say we go for the split. It'd be easier for users on the wiki who want to find a non-fictional deceased person in a separate page rather than find them scrambled on a page with several fictional characters. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:30, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
:Splitting is good.  {{User:TabuuandPeach/sig}} 19:19, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
== Split Category from Mario characters and real people  ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|17-0}}
Personally it's kind of weird having characters like [[Korvallis|Kolorado's father]] being on a category with real life people like [[Satoru Iwata]]. I think we should split the category so it's like category:deceased characters category:deceased people.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Fawful's Minion}}{{br}}
'''Deadline''': June 22 2016 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Fawful's Minion}} Per my reason above. 🔼
#{{User|Megadardery}} Per proposal, there is no reason to keep them merged in the first place.
#{{user|Baby Luigi}} Sure, I'll along with that.
#{{user|Wildgoosespeeder}} This category split is purely to respect the deaths of real people instead of having them mixed with fictional deaths. One category of deceased is sad and the other is for dramatic effect.
#{{user|LudwigVon}} - Per all.
#{{User|BabyLuigi64}} Per all.
#{{User|Roy Koopa}} Saying Satoru Iwata is on the same level as Cackletta is not only disrespectful to Iwata, but it's also weird because it's almost like merging the real world and the fictional world. Per all.
#{{user|driftmaster130}} Per all, makes sense.
#{{user|Skittles}} Per all.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Makes sense. I don't necessarily agree with the "respect" side of the argument, but this helps sort between real-life and fictional subjects. It's why we don't have Satoru Iwata in [[:Category:Humans|humans category]] (unless he has played a direct role in the world of Mario as how Isaac Newton did); rather, we have already a separate category, [[:Category:People]], so it's worth bringing over this consistency. You should probably make the newly created category tucked inside Category:People.
#{{User|Alex95}} Per all.
#{{User|Bwburke94}} There is no reason to mix real people and characters in the same category.
#{{User|Andymii}} Per all.
#{{User|3D Player 2010}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|The Golden Yoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|AfternoonLight}} Per all and just like in the [[Talk:Rocket Start#Split Start Dash from Rocket Start|Rocket Start TPP]], you can't leave it merged.
====Oppose====
====Comments====
Why was a proposal even necessary for such an obvious call like this? It would have made more sense to just do the edits immediately instead of waiting 14 days for a proposal to go through. {{User:3D Player 2010/sig}} 22:06, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:Not entirely sure but there was some debate what to name the category split. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 20:39, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

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