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| Aren't [[Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor]] and [[Bowser's Galaxy Reactor]] missing from this list...? | | Aren't [[Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor]] and [[Bowser's Galaxy Reactor]] missing from this list...? |
| {{User:Phoenix/sig}} 18:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC) | | {{User:Phoenix/sig}} 18:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| == Change name to "Cosmic Locations" ==
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| {{proposal outcome|failed|3-5|keep current name}}
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| The Outer Space is, as its name indicates, the vacuum expanse outside of and between any object in the universe. In this sense, the [[Moon Kingdom]] and the SMG galaxies should not be more suitable to fit in such a category than the [[Mushroom Kingdom]], [[Donkey Kong Island]], and really any other place in any game because they too are, at the end of the day, considered to be floating in space, so long as the common understanding of "universe" applies to the Mario games. In addition, I'm not sure one can define a "location" within an area of physical nothing, because the wiki's understanding of location is purely gameplay-related and refers to a unique area characterized by its own marks and traits (e.g. [[Shiver Mountain]], [[Rogueport Sewers]]). Calling a chosen part of nothingness a "region" would be more scientifically correct. Anyway, the term "Outer Space Location" is both improper for most areas listed in the category and also kind of self-contradicting.
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| Therefore, I propose changing "Outer Space" to "Cosmic", which refers to something otherworldly, foreign, outside the main habitable planet. Heck, "spacey" if you will.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Super Radio}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': March 25, 2018, 23:59 GMT
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| ====Support====
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| #{{User|Super Radio}} per proposal
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| #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Yeah, "outer space" is a bit too explicit... Take [[Cosmic Adventure]], for example. This particular attraction is defined to be in [[Mini-Land]] despite its "outer space" backdrop. It gets even more ambiguous with [[World 9 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)|World 9 (''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'')]], [[World Star (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|the first]] [[World Star (Super Mario 3D World)|two World Stars]], [[Superstar Road]], and even [[Orbiting Observatory]] and [[Gravity Galaxy]]. Per Super Radio.
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
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| ====Oppose====
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| #{{User|Tucayo}} - I don't see "Cosmic" as much of an improvement over "Outer Space". Going by your definition of "cosmic" as something "''outside the main habitable planet''", we can apply that exact same definition to "Outer Space". Planet Earth is, as you say, "considered to be floating in space", but you wouldn't say it's in outer space because we regard outer space as something outside of our main planet. Perhaps this name should be changed, yes, but not to "cosmic".
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Tucayo.
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| #{{User|Alex95}} - I think you may be thinking too hard on this, as per Tucayo's statement. This seems like an unnecessary change.
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| #{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all, "outer space" works well as a blanket term and people who look at the category should understand the type of location it's referring to.
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| #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Seems to be tenuous and a lot more work than it's worth. "Outer space locations" can still refer to the thematic manner, just as how [[40 Below Fridge]] is categorized under "Snowscapes" despite being in an icy underground facility-type area, due to the ''theme''.
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| ====Comments====
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| On another note, are [[Star World]] from SMW and [[Above the Clouds]] from Wario Land 3 really cosmic locations? -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 10:50, 11 March 2018 (EDT)
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| :Star World seems like an entirely other realm, and you can be above the clouds and not be in outer space. IMO. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:57, 11 March 2018 (EDT)
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| ::Above the Clouds features the Moon though in the final mission. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:43, 11 March 2018 (EDT)
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| :::I forgot about the Moon in that level. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 01:27, 12 March 2018 (EDT)
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| @Alex95: It wouldn't be unnecessary. Outer Space means the literal nothingness between bodies that float in space (of course, with the exception of particles that stray into space, but they are unimportant to the magnitude we are talking about); saying that you can have locations in outer space contradicts this very definition. Besides, we don't have a category for Sea Locations where we put islands and continents, and the smaller areas on them, that would be insane wouldn't it? "Outer Space Locations" is a silly name, but I don't see what can we change it to, other than "Cosmic Locations"...<br>One thing that really should be changed regardless of the outcome of this proposal is having the Moon Kingdom, Dark(er) Side and the planet in the second chapter of Super Paper Mario removed from the category because they clearly aren't floating by themselves in space. They are like every location on the "Mushroom Planet" or w/e. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 01:27, 12 March 2018 (EDT)
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| @MrConcreteDonkey: No it's not a better blanket term. As Toadette the Achiever stated, [[Cosmic Adventure]] and [[Gravity Galaxy]] are not guaranteed to actually be happening in outer space (in fact they don't), but they do have a cosmic theme. This is further reason to change it to "cosmic" which would do its job better as a blanket term, even considering Tucayo's statement that cosmic and outer space are esentially the same thing. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 01:42, 13 March 2018 (EDT)
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| :I had another thought. Why not redo this proposal so that we include the option of splitting out {{fake link|Category:Cosmic Locations}} as well? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:23, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
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| ::You mean separating Cosmic Locations from Outer Space Locations but keeping them both? Why? -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 10:16, 18 March 2018 (EDT)
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| :::Just a thought. I have since reconsidered it. I ''will'' be drafting a counterproposal though. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:09, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
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