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Isn't this category exactly the same as 3rd Party Characters?

No. This is for Link, Zelda, and those guys. 3rd party is pacman, solid snake, final fantasy characters in nintendo games.[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]

==How to tell if a game is 3rd party==

3rd Party: any character that creates a link to a different system. (ex. FF=PS2)

non-3rd Party: any character (ex. Link) made by the same company (in this case, Nintendo) that appears in another game starring another series charcter.(ex. Mario)

{{User:Maxlover2/sig| did that help?}}

What about second party? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

? {{User:Maxlover2/sig| there's a second party? 8( why hasn't anyone told ME about this "second party"?}}

==Should Pokemon be on this list==

Pokemon isn't a game made by Nintendo although it was published by Nintendo it was made by game freak inc. does that still put them on this list {{User|Mrblob1012}}

Nintendo owns Pokémon, so they belong. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 13:30, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

== Remove bosses from SMB2 ==
{{TPP}}
I don't understand why we include only bosses from ''[[Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic]]''. Any enemies including [[Shy Guy]] didn't have this category. Why [[Birdo]] considered to character from other Nintendo games?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Windy}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 30, 2023, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Spectrogram}} Fair option. SMB2 became a full part of the ''Mario'' franchise.
#{{User|Swallow}} Since Doki Doki Panic was the basis of Super Mario Bros. 2 and nearly everything in it became very recurrant throughout the Mario franchise, I wouldn't mind making an exception to it.
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} Super Mario Bros. 2 characters are Mario characters.
<s>{{User|Yo'ster}} Doki Doki Panic has never been re-released due to Nintendo not owning the Fuji TV characters and has, for all intents and purposes, been a Mario game in Japan since Super Mario USA's release in 1992. Platform's crossed out solution below is fine too.</s>
<s>{{User|Platform}} All the DDP bosses have become fully absorbed into the ''Mario'' franchise that they're more associated with ''Mario'' than their original game. The intro should be changed to "This category '''''excludes''''' bosses from ''Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic''."</s>

====Oppose====
#{{User|Wikiboy10}} While these characters have become part of the ''Mario'' series, it is a fact that they were introduced in a non-''Mario'' game. Let's not ''Mario''wash here. Also, we should include Shy Guys and other ''SMB2''  enemies in this category.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} This proposal doesn't make any real argument why there should be an exception here, and I don't see a reason to exclude them. The reason Shy Guys and other enemies aren't currently included is because this is specifically a character category, but it could be reworked in the future.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per Wikiboy and Waluigi Time.
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} I can't argue with the idea that these characters have been effectively assimilated by the ''Mario'' franchise--the sheer number of ''Mario'' media they appeared in has long driven that point home, to say nothing of the fact that some have been explicitly billed as "Super Mario" characters [[List of spirits in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (1-500)|as recently as 2018]]--but we can't alter their history. Indeed, they debuted in a non-''Mario'' game. I suppose the category could be retitled as "Characters '''originating''' in other Nintendo games" just so it can dispel any shred of ambiguity.
#{{User|Platform}} I've changed my mind. ''[[Greenhouse]]'' should also be added to the category's description due to [[Stanley]]. This game is also [[MarioWiki:Coverage#Historically_significant|historically significant]] that it warrants inclusion. My recommended wording is "This category also includes characters that debuted from the historically significant games of ''Green House'' and ''Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic''."

====Comments====
@Windy Why didn't you vote on this proposal? [[User:Wikiboy10|Wikiboy10]] ([[User talk:Wikiboy10|talk]]) 11:58, April 16, 2023 (EDT)
:The author does not participate in the proposal. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 08:29, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
::Yes they do. The proposer always votes on the support option upon the proposal being created. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 08:30, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
:::Technically, the proposer can vote on any option they wish or choose not to vote at all. There's nothing stopping a proposer from participating in their own proposal, they're generally expected to support their own proposal and to respond to criticism if necessary. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:50, April 18, 2023 (EDT)

The category page lays out: "Nintendo characters who are not part of the Mario franchise but have appeared in it or in related crossovers."; we probably need to rewrite this if this proposal fails. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:50, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
:Done. I'm hazy on whether "originate in" is grammatically correct though, so I request some intervention in that regard. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:58, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
::Seems fine. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:58, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
:::Shouldn't we wait for the deadline to see if the proposal passes or fails before messing with the description of the category? So far, we have a tie. And the proposer didn't even vote! [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 19:31, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
::::It doesn't really matter, regardless of the proposal outcome the new wording is accurate and clearer, and nothing that's been modified is in the scope of this proposal anyway. ("not part of the Mario franchise but have appeared in it" reads like a contradiction) --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:53, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
I'm going to rescind my vote on this and just stay neutral. I wouldn't mind removing them as they're undoubtedly Mario characters now, but it'd probably be better to just be more specific about the current category as Koopa con Carne and Platform suggested. --[[User:Yo&#39;ster|Yo&#39;ster]] ([[User talk:Yo&#39;ster|talk]]) 07:49, April 21, 2023 (EDT)