Editing Category talk:Artifacts

==What==
{{talk}}
What is this category for? It sounds like it's for actual artifacts (e.g. the [[Volcano Vase]]), but includes things like [[Super Mushroom]]s and [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|Wings]]. The description claims it's for "special items" with "mystical properties", which isn't really clarifying anything. Since the description says this is for things like [[Shine Sprite]]s, it sounds like it's supposed to be for "legendary object"-type things, but most of this category doesn't fit that at all. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 10:26, 2 January 2016 (EST)

:I can ''almost'' understand the use of the word "artifacts" as an object found in RPG games with a special use, but even that is too vague to justify why things like a [[Ground-Pound Switch]] can make it to this category. RPG games are able to use a more specific category to keep together such artefacts, for example [[:Category:Super Paper Mario Special Items]]. My opinion is to delete this category, and use other, more specific categories for any "artefacts"

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 10:32, 14 July 2016 (EDT)

==Do something with this category==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|1-4-2|Limit the category to actual artifacts}}
What is this category for, exactly? The name would imply it's for items like the [[Volcano Vase]], while the description claims it's for "special items that have mystical properties", which is just about the most vague description possible. Judging by the name and the description referencing Shine Sprites, this sounds like it's for "legendary item"-type things, but most of this category doesn't fit that whatsoever. In reality, this is mostly used for:

* Things that should be in [[:Category:Items]]
* Things that should be in [[:Category:Objects]]
* Things that should be in [[:Category:Power-Ups]]
* Things that should be in [[:Category:RPG Items - Special]]
* The [[Game Boy Camera]], for some reason

I'm thinking this should either be deleted, or limited to things specifically stated to be artifacts (e.g. the [[Ancient Globe]] or [[Artifact]]).

'''Proposer''': {{User|Niiue}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 22, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Delete===
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.

===Limit the category to actual artifacts===
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} This is the better option. Per proposal.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal.

===Do nothing===
#{{User|Time Turner}} Until I know exactly how this category will be affected, I won't agree with this.
#{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} At this point I feel the proposal is to vague to have any real meaning. I'd like to know exactly what will be removed from this category before we pass this.

===Comments===
This category is only going to be for items that are explicitly called "artifacts"? {{unsigned|Time Turner}}
:Well, no, it's not limited to items where the word "artifact" is used to describe them, it'd just be limited to items that fit most definitions of "artifacts" (e.g. the [[Skull Gem]]). [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 18:41, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
::In that case, what is an "artifact"? Are you sticking with the current definition here, or are you going to change it to something else? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:48, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Ancient objects/treasures? [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 18:51, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
::::The definition I got when I Binged it was "an object made by a human being, typically an item of cultural or historical interest" and "something observed in a scientific investigation or experiment that is not naturally present but occurs as a result of the preparative or investigative procedure". {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:53, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::I'd see it as many of the Wario Land treasures, while the Mario's Time Machine and Mario is Missing items could technically count as well. Game Boy Camera is probably on there due to its role in that one comic mentioned on its page. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick]] 17:53, 8 August 2017 (CT)
::::::Ah yes, I remember reading about the ancient apples and magnets in my history books. If we're changing the definition, I'd rather that it exclusively covers the "it-belongs-in-a-museum"-type items. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:58, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::I said that because Bowser was using them in a Museum. Remember, I'm still only familiar with the NES version, which didn't have trade sequences. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 18:17, 8 August 2017 (CT)
Can we get a list of things that you want removed from this category? {{User|Chester Alan Arthur}}
:Skimming over the category, here's an incomplete list:
* [[Ancient Clue]]
* [[Beanstar]]
* [[Black chest]]
* [[Black Skull]]
* [[Bonus Star]]
* [[Bottomless Coin Sack]]
* [[Dark Prognosticus]]
* [[Elemental Tablets]]
* [[Fire Tablet]]
* [[Forbidden Pop-Up Book]]
* [[Game Boy Camera]]
* [[Giant Star]]
* [[Gold Balloon]]
* [[Golden Coin]]
* [[Grand Moon]]
* [[Grand Star]]
* [[Great Balls of Fire]]
* [[Green Gecko Gem]]
* [[Green Star]]
* [[Ground-Pound Switch]]
* [[Light Prognosticus]]
* [[Lucky Lamp]]
* [[Lucky Star (Paper Mario)]]
* [[Magical Bean]]
* [[Magical Seed]]
* [[Magical Typewriter]]
* [[Magic Lamp]]
* [[Magic Pendant]]
* [[Magic Statue]]
* [[Miracle Book]]
* [[Miracle Cure]]
* [[Music Box]]
* [[Music Key]]
* [[Orb (Super Paper Mario)]]
* [[P-Wing]]
* [[Pearl Bean]]
* [[Pot of Gold Coins]]
* [[Power Moon]]
* [[Shine Sprite]]
* [[Stone Tablet]]
* [[Water Tablet]]
:tl;dr, magic items !== artifacts. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 17:58, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
::You've thoroughly confused me by including [[Green Gecko Gem]], [[Golden Coin]], and the [[Elemental Tablets]] on that list. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:02, 11 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I'm not sure what I was thinking when I listed the Elemental Tablets, in hindsight. As for the others, the Green Gecko Gem sounds like a generic magic item from how it's described (though I could be wrong), and the six Golden Coins are just standard collectible MacGuffins. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 23:56, 11 August 2017 (EDT)